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At the 2015 LA Auto Show today, Buick unveiled the 2017 Buick LaCrosse.

 

Using a phrase that was once a selling point for cars in the 1950, Buick released details on the Lacrosse for 2017 to make it longer, lower, and wider. but unlike the 1950s, Buick is now adding "lighter" to the list. The 2017 LaCrosse's chassis drops 300 lbs from the outgoing model, yet through the use of stronger steel, the chassis is stronger. Some of the weight loss also comes from new materials used in Buick's Quiet Tuning process that are lower in weight.

 

With that weight loss, Buick expects the 2017 to be more fuel efficient than it's predecessor. Adding to the fuel economy gain is a new 3.6 liter V6 with cylinder deactivation and automatic start-stop, paired with a new 8-speed automatic front wheel drive transmission. Power remains about the same at 305 horsepower and 268 lb-ft of torque. A new twin-clutch all-wheel drive system is available, similar to that in the new 2017 Cadillac XT5, that can split torque side to side in the rear for added control or disconnect from the rear wheels for added fuel economy.

 

The wheelbase of the LaCrosse has been increased 2.7 inches while overall length is up 0.6 inches. This pushes the wheels closer to the corners of the car to give it a more athletic appearance.

 

Inside a new sweeping and floating center console integrates directly into the center stack both moving controls closer to the driver and providing storage space underneath. Three new trim choices are available along with Moonglow LED accent lighting.

 

On the tech front, Buick's Intellilink system has been updated to the newest software with an 8 inch diagonal screen, and Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are now included. Safety technology abounds with standard and available features such as 10 standard airbags, front pedestrian braking, forward automatic braking, automatic cruise control, and more.

 

You can follow all of our coverage of the 2015 LA Auto Show here or follow us on Facebook, Twitter, and Google+

 

Buick's press release is on page 2

 

 

Source and Photos: Buick Media

 

 


 


Buick Introduces All-New 2017 LaCrosse


Leaner and sleeker with effortless technology

 


LOS ANGELES – Beautifully crafted and thoughtfully innovative, the 2017 Buick LaCrosse offers full-size sedan customers a striking, all-new design, sophisticated technologies and more-responsive performance.

 

The next-generation LaCrosse also introduces the new face of Buick, which is influenced by the dramatic cues of the award-winning Avenir concept. Notably, it features a new grille design with a large opening distinguished by the return of a three-color – red, silver and blue – Buick tri-shield insignia, accented by wing-shaped elements set against darkened waterfall grille bars.

 

Buick revealed the 2017 LaCrosse today at the Los Angeles Auto Show. It goes on sale early next summer.

 

“The new LaCrosse signals the next phase of Buick’s international momentum,” said Duncan Aldred, vice president of Buick Sales and Marketing. “Its quietness, comfort and connectivity were developed to set new standards in the segment, supported by technologies not offered on competitors such as the Lexus ES. It is also drop-dead gorgeous.”

 

Longer, lower and wider than the current model, the 2017 LaCrosse is built on a stronger yet lighter structure. In fact, it is about 300 pounds lighter than the current LaCrosse – thanks largely to the use of press-hardened, high-strength steels – which contributes to greater efficiency and more responsive handling.

 

The new LaCrosse’s lower weight is also due in part to new, dissipative sound-absorbing materials that are lower in mass, but provide more effective sound attenuation, resulting in a new threshold for Buick’s signature QuietTuning and forming a pillar of the car’s enhanced comfort.

 

The balance of the efficiency equation comes from a technologically advanced, second-generation 3.6L V-6 paired with a new eight-speed automatic transmission. Standard Stop/Start technology improves efficiency in stop-and-go driving.

 

Additional new and enhanced features include:

  • New five-link rear suspension and available HiPer Strut front suspension
  • Available electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control active suspension with selectable Touring and Sport modes
  • Driver-selectable Electronic Precision Shift
  • Advanced, all-new dual-clutch AWD system (available)
  • Efficiency-enhancing low-drag disc brakes with Duralife rotors
  • Electric power steering system with Lead/Pull Compensation
  • Easier rear-seat entry/egress and more usable storage space
  • Technologies including available wireless charging, available Teen Driver and configurable, LED driver information center with 8-inch-diagonal color display
  • Perforated leather-appointed front seats with new lumbar massaging feature
  • IntelliLink with frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen featuring Apple CarPlay, Android Auto and OnStar 4G LTE with Wi-Fi hotspot integration.

 


The 2017 LaCrosse also features extensive active and passive safety features that offer driver awareness and protection surrounding the vehicle, including:

  • Ten standard air bags – including two knee air bags for front passengers
  • Front Pedestrian Braking, which alerts drivers to and can automatically apply the brakes for pedestrians detected directly ahead in some driving conditions
  • Lane Keep Assist, which provides gentle steering wheel turns – and Lane Departure Warning alerts, if necessary – to help drivers avoid crashes due to unintentionally drifting out of their lane
  • Automatic Park Assist, which helps the driver parallel park/perpendicular park by automatically steering the vehicle into a detected parking space while the driver applies the brakes
  • Adaptive Cruise Control
  • Forward Automatic Braking
  • Forward Collision Alert
  • Lane Change Alert with Side Blind Zone Alert
  • Rear Vision Camera
  • Safety Alert Seat.

 


“The blend of sophisticated technologies and advanced safety systems offer a more enjoyable and engaging driving experience,” said Aldred. “It’s a rewarding sedan for those who seek luxurious appointments, style and quality.”

 

New face of Buick
The new LaCrosse’s expressive exterior design creates a new proportion, rendering a more dramatic road presence. The front wheels have been pulled forward and the wheelbase stretched 2.7 inches (65 mm), while the overall length is only 0.6-inch longer (15 mm). The dynamic proportion is further enhanced by a roofline that’s 1.6 inches (40 mm) lower than the current model.

 

The longer wheelbase is matched by wheels pushed outward 1.3 inches (33 mm) in the front and 1.1 inches (28 mm) in the rear, while the car’s width has grown only 0.4-inch (10 mm), creating a wheels-at-corners stance that conveys road confidence.

 

“It’s a sleeker design that looks confident and purposeful,” said Holt Ware, exterior design director. “Stretching the wheelbase, lowering the roofline and making it slightly wider creates a dramatic effect that is enhanced by the design’s supporting elements such as the swept headlamps.”

 

LaCrosse’s new proportion is further complemented by an all-new grille that signals the next chapter in Buick’s design anthology. Inspired by the Avenir concept, it’s distinguished by a new, three-color tri-shield insignia set on a wing-shaped element. Contrasting with darkened waterfall grille bars and spanning the width of the opening, it connects the grille and headlamps, and emphasizes LaCrosse’s new sculptural surfacing. The design was introduced on the Avenir concept and was inspired by the 1954 Wildcat II concept.

 

“It’s the new face of Buick – one that reflects the sophistication, modernity and international reach of this evolving brand,” said Ware. “The new, winged motif also emphasizes the wider, lower proportion of the LaCrosse.”

 

The signature sweepspear body-side design element has been reinterpreted in a modern fashion, enhancing the car’s sculptural identity. It has a split design that gives the body side a greater perception of depth, while picking up additional body lines, for an elegant, uninterrupted flow from the front fenders to the rear.

 

The 2017 LaCrosse’s body lines are reinforced by a longer, uninterrupted “daylight opening” – the portion of the upper body between the A- and C-pillars. They’re ringed with chrome, which adds a tastefully restrained premium accent to the body side.

 

Other details blend form and function such as outside mirrors mounted on pedestals on the doors rather than the corners of the front side windows. The design offers a greater field of view, while the mirror housings were shaped in the wind tunnel to help reduce wind noise.

 

Aerodynamic considerations also drove the dynamic sweep of the decklid, which acts as a spoiler to optimize airflow over the LaCrosse, and the front of the car features deflectors in front of the tires to reduce drag.

 

Additional exterior elements include:

  • High-intensity discharge headlamps and LED signature lighting are standard
  • LED taillamps are standard
  • Eighteen-inch wheels are standard and 20-inch wheels are available
  • Active grille shutters
  • Capless fuel filler on all models.

 


Seamless ambience, authentic craftsmanship
The new LaCrosse’s interior is designed to offer an open and inviting space for passengers – one that is relaxing, luxurious and well-connected. Sculpturally beautiful form and premium materials complement technologies developed for effortless interfacing.

 

It is the first Buick with a new single cockpit design aesthetic, characterized by a horizontal form that sweeps across the instrument panel and into the doors. It also incorporates a “floating” center console that positions the controller for the new Electronic Precision Shift high and close to the driver, while creating storage space below the console for items such as a handbag or tablet.

 

“There is fluidity in the interior forms – a seamless ambience that flows throughout the cabin,” said Liz Wetzel, interior design director. “Like the exterior, there is sculptural beauty in the interior’s functionality, complemented with high-quality, authentic materials and exceptional attention to detail.”

 

That attention to detail includes soft materials for virtually every touchpoint; real French stitching on the seats, instrument panel and more; and genuine aluminum sill plates and wood décor trim, depending on the model.

 

“There is a handcrafted essence that is inviting and rewarding,” said Wetzel. “It is clean environment that is designed to refresh and inspire.”

 

A number of new and enhanced available luxury features amplify the LaCrosse’s comfort quotient:

  • Three fashion-inspired interior trim choices: Jet Black, Dark Atmosphere and Shale, and Jet Black and Brandy
  • Contemporary Moon White ambient lighting
  • Eight-way-adjustable heated and ventilated front seats with new massage feature – with improved heating for quicker warm-up on cold mornings
  • Perforated leather-appointed seats
  • Heated steering wheel with power tilting/telescoping steering column
  • Dual-zone automatic climate control
  • Power rear sunshade
  • Premium Bose® audio system.

 


It also offers greater, more practical storage space and easier access. The rear doors, for example, open wider and offer easier entry/egress, and the trunk not only offers approximately 7 percent more storage space than the current model, but was configured to accommodate four golf bags.

 

Sophisticated, intuitive technologies – including phone integration
As one of the segment’s most technologically advanced vehicles, the new LaCrosse offers a host of communication and convenience features designed for effortless connectivity.

 

The central technology is the latest edition of Buick IntelliLink, which is controlled by a new, frameless 8-inch-diagonal color touchscreen located at the center of an ergonomically optimized instrument panel. Along with the climate system and other features on the “center stack,” it was designed with fewer buttons and controls for more intuitive use.

 

Phone integration technology is paired with IntelliLink and is designed to take phone features users would want to access while driving and put them on the 8-inch display via Apple CarPlay or Android Auto. The features allow customers to use select smartphone apps through the touchscreen interface. Many features can be controlled via voice commands through a button on the steering wheel, helping drivers keep their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel.

 

Additional LaCrosse technology highlights include:

  • All-new Electronic Precision ShiftRather than a traditional shifter, gears are chosen andengaged via a simple toggle pull. It provides smooth, precise andresponsive shifting while enabling added storage in the center console.
  • Configurable, high-definition driver information center – Located in the center of the gauge cluster and flanked by round instrument binnacles, it has a large, 8-inch-diagonal full-color display.

  • Head-up display – This available feature offers four page views: speed, audio, navigation and performance. It also offers alerts for certain active safety features such as Lane Keep Assist and Forward Collision Alert.
  • Available Teen Driver Technology – It encourages safe driving habits for new drivers by muting the audio or any device paired with the vehicle when front-seat occupants aren’t wearing their safety belts. It also provides audible and visual warnings when the vehicle is traveling over predetermined speeds – and offers a “report card” for parents.
  • Wireless charging – When equipped with this available feature, the phone storage slot in the center console enables inductive charging without the need for plug-ins or cables.

 


Buick QuietTuning process
The new LaCrosse builds on the exemplary reputation of the current model – already a benchmark in the segment – to offer an even quieter driving experience that contributes to the car’s comfort and enjoyment.

 

Significantly, the Buick QuietTuning team employed a dissipative approach to sound attenuation rather than the current model’s barrier system. That means the sound is absorbed primarily with a specialized, lightweight dissipative dash mat rather than heavier noise-blocking pads.

 

Additional quieting features include:

  • New five-link rear suspension provides greater isolation from road noise than the current four-link design
  • Active noise cancellation is standard on all models
  • Acoustic wheelhouse liners
  • Acoustic-laminated windshield and front side windows
  • Triple-sealed doors
  • Improved body noise-path sealing
  • The windshield wipers “park” below the hood line to reduce wind noise.

 


Next-generation powertrain
LaCrosse’s all-new 3.6L V-6 engine with direct injection and dual overhead cams represents the second generation of GM’s acclaimed DOHC V-6 engine family and incorporates new features such as Active Fuel Management (cylinder deactivation) and Stop/Start technology.

 

Active Fuel Management system temporarily deactivates two the 3.6L’s cylinders in light-load driving conditions to enhance fuel efficiency and seamlessly reactivates them when the driver demands full power.

 

With the efficiency-enhancing Stop/Start system, the engine is shut down in certain driving conditions such as stop-and-go city driving to reduce fuel consumption, automatically restarting when the driver takes his or her foot off the brake pedal.

 

Additionally, noise-reducing features including an all-new cam drive system contribute to the vehicle’s benchmark quietness.

 

The 3.6L is estimated at 305 horsepower (227 kW) and 268 lb-ft of torque (363 Nm); and it’s matched with a new eight-speed automatic transmission.

 

Balanced, efficient driving experience
Thanks to its new, lighter and stiffer architecture – and a number of new and enhanced complementing technologies – the 2017 LaCrosse offers a driving experience that is as responsive and direct as it is quiet and comfortable. It also offers enhanced capability with Buick’s first twin-clutch all-wheel-drive system.

 

A new five-link rear suspension is the central component of the improved ride and handling characteristics. It helps reduces roll center motion, enables positive lateral control and promotes excellent dynamic stability. In short, it helps keep the tires planted on all surfaces – and contributes to a quieter ride through greater isolation from road noise.

 

At the front, a MacPherson-strut suspension is standard and Buick’s HiPer Strut suspension is used on front-wheel-drive models with 20-inch wheels. It helps reduce torque steer and maintain negativecamber during cornering, improving maximum grip in all road conditions. Italso improves the direct feel of the vehicle, while isolating undesirable feedback.

 

Available, electronically controlled Continuous Damping Control further optimizes ride comfort and handling capabilities over varying road surfaces and profiles. It’s an active suspension system that can adjust damping every two milliseconds, with Touring and Sport damping modes selected by the driver through the Electronic Precision Shift.

 

Also contributing to LaCrosse’s more-direct driving experience is an enhanced, rack-mounted electronic power steering system, which incorporates Lead-Pull Compensation. It automatically adjusts the steering angle to account for factors like crowned roads or high crosswinds.

 

LaCrosse’s new twin-clutch AWD system offers the ultimate in grip in and control, with better performance during acceleration and cornering. It allows torque to be split between the rear wheels for optimal performance and the twin-clutch design uses independent clutch actuation to determine and control the amount of torque sent to each rear wheel.

 

Additional chassis and driver control features on the 2017 LaCrosse include:

  • Low-drag four-wheel disc brakes with Duralife rotors, which offer up to double the service life of conventional rotors
  • Hill Start Assist with Automatic Vehicle Hold, which can hold the brakes up to five minutes, depending on conditions
  • Electronic park brake
  • Shear-type suspension mounts that offer greater ride, handling and noise isolation attributes.

 


FAST FACT: Sales of the Buick LaCrosse have exceeded 900,000 globally since it went on sale in 2009.

 

Buick is an international modern luxury brand offering vehicles with sculpted designs, luxurious interiors and thoughtful personal technologies, along with responsive-yet-efficient performance. Buick is attracting new customers with its portfolio of award-winning luxury models in North America and China. Learn more about Buick cars and crossovers at www.buick.com, on Twitter @buick, on Instagram, or at www.facebook.com/buick

 


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CONTACT:
Crystal Wilson
Buick Communications
[email protected]
313-618-9996

 

2017 BUICK LACROSSE PRELIMINARY SPECIFICATIONS

 

Overview
Model:
Buick LaCrosse FWD & AWD
Body style / driveline:
front-drive/all-wheel-drive, front-engine, four-door, five- passenger sedan
Construction:
integral
EPA vehicle class:
midsize sedan
Manufacturing location:
Detroit-Hamtramck, Mich.
Key competitors:
Lexus ES 350, Lincoln MKZ

 

Engine

 

3.6L V-6 DI VVT
Displacement (cu in / cc):
223 / 3649
Bore & stroke (in / mm):
3.74 x 3.37 / 95 x 85.8
Block material:
cast aluminum w/ cast-in-place iron bore liners
Cylinder head material:
cast aluminum
Valvetrain:
DOHC, four valves per cylinder, continuously variable valve timing; Active Fuel Management
Fuel delivery:
direct high-pressure fuel injection
Compression ratio:
11.5:1
Horsepower
(hp / kW @ rpm):
305 / 227 @ 6800 (est.)
Torque (lb-ft / Nm @ rpm):
268 / 363 @ 5200 (est.)
Recommended fuel:
regular unleaded
GM-estimated fuel economy (city / hwy):
TBD Transmission
Type:
eight-speed, electronically controlled automatic overdrive with torque converter clutch
Gear ratios (:1):

 

First:
5.25
Second:
3.02
Third:
1.95
Fourth:
1.47
Fifth:
1.22
Sixth:
1.00
Seventh:
0.80
Eighth:
0.57
Reverse:
4.01
Final drive ratio:
3.07

 

Chassis / Suspension
Suspension (front):
FWD/AWD with 18-in. wheels & AWD with 20-in. wheels: MacPherson strut coil-over-spring
FWD with 20-in. wheels: HiPer Strut with Continuous Damping Control
Suspension (rear):
FWD/AWD with 18-in. wheels & AWD with 20-in. wheels: five-link
FWD with 20-in. wheels: five-link with Continuous Damping Control
Steering type:
electric variable-effort power steering with Active Return Assist
Steering ratio:
TBD
Steering wheel turns, lock-to-lock:
TBD
Turning circle (ft / m):
38 / 11.6

 

Brakes
Type:
split, dual-circuit four-wheel-disc with power assist; Duralife brake rotors; brake pre-fill and Electronic Brake Force Distribution
Rotor diameter x thickness
(in / mm):
TBD

 

Wheels / Tires
Wheel size and type:

 

18-in. aluminum
20-in. aluminum
Tires:
P235/50R18 all-season
P245/40R20 all-season

 

Dimensions
Exterior
Wheelbase (in / mm):
114.4 / 2905
Overall length (in / mm):
197.5 / 5017
Overall width (in / mm):
73.2 / 1859
Overall height (in / mm):
57.5 / 1460
Track (in / mm):
front: 62.9 / 1599
rear: 63.1 / 1602
Curb weight (lb / kg):
TBD

 

Interior
Seating capacity:
2 / 3
Headroom (in / mm):
front: 38.4 / 975 (w/o sunroof)
rear: 37.1 / 943 (w/o sunroof)
Legroom (in / mm):
front: 42 / 1067
rear: 39.9 / 1014
Shoulder room (in / mm):
front: 57.7 / 1466
rear: 56.6 / 1437
Hip room (in / mm):
front: 54.7 / 1390
rear: 55 / 1399
Cargo volume (cu. ft. / L):
14.2 / 402

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smk4565

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Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more? I'll wait, it's a super short list.

 

Start/stop and cylinder cutoff have been around a while.  I think every BMW has had start/stop and an 8 speed the past 3 years.  Lexus had an 8-speed transmission 9 years ago.   I also heard a Ford engineer say that start/stop gave about a 5% gain in city fuel economy.  So that is going from 20 to 21 mpg.  Not a deal breaker for most people.  

 

I think a 300 hp V6 with start/stop, 8 speed auto, 22/31 mpg is what is expected in a $35,000 car.  The Chrysler 300 had 300 hp and 31 mpg and an 8 speed n 2012.  That is just what is expected of the segment.  I think the Lacrosse engine is what the buyers want and expect.

 

 

 

 

So, this is like the complete opposite of the MKZ. The exterior and interior are very well done, if not a bit too understated. The powertrain is bit disappointing, though. I would have liked to see something more than just the run-of-mill V6. I suppose Buick still has to cater to its long-living demographic regardless of what the advertising will tell you. 

 

The new powertrain is hardly run of the mill. The V6 has start/stop and cylinder deactivation mated to a brand new 8-speed. With a huge drop in curb weight, this big sedan is likely to be QUICK (like running mid-14s) and still achieve over 20/30 mpg.

 

 

I'm sorry... is that really considered quick these days? My 11 year old Avalon would run mid-14s and hit 60 in about 6 seconds (and would do over 31 mpg highway), which is likely where the new LaCrosse will be at. I wasn't wowed by that car's power, so I'm not going to be wowed by this either. The current LaCrosse is a 2-ton porker, so losing 300lbs merely brings it back down to average weight and performance for the class. Again, there's nothing exciting here. It's a run-of-the-mill powertrain in every single way for the year 2017. Kthxbai. 

 

What I would really like to see is the MKZ's powertrain with the LaCrosse's body. Perfect boulevard cruiser.

 

 

 

 

Second the idea that your 2010HP 2004 Avalon is going to be faster than the new LaX, while getting superior fuel economy is ridiculous. The 2004 Camry SE barely pulled it off with a 14.6 seconds @ 97.0 mph, and was lighter. This Lacrosse, should certainly improve upon the numbers laid by my heavier Impala.. Fuel economy is certainly going into the 30s.. 
 
I love the idea of Run of the Mill when is incorporating start/stop, cylinder deactivation and an 8-speed tranny.. all wrapped in a sweet honey bun of an exterior. U want 12 second 1/4 miles.. go buy a Cadillac.. or even a Chevy. Buick is about smooth luxury. Everyone doesn't need their car to be a performance car.. and that's coming from some one who predominately has REAL performance cars.

 

 

Excuse my typo, I meant 10 year old.

 

My 2005 Avalon weighed a hair over 3600lbs, was rated at 280 hp, quoted at 14.6 seconds @ 99 mph in the quarter and 6.0 seconds to 60, and was rated at 22/31 mpg.

 

I'm not saying the LaCrosse won't be able to match it, I simply don't see it exceeding it by much, if at all. Also, for what it's worth, 10 years on, and the Avalon hasn't improved upon itself either. It is also just run-of-the-mill these days. It's not necessarily a bad thing for Buick to do the same, but there's nothing exciting here besides an 8 speed auto that others have had for years. With Buick itself stating they are perfectly happy with the LaCrosse being their flagship sedan, I would've expected more... a risk or two. Instead, it's been played safe, likely to keep its current cult of owners happy. Meanwhile, Lincoln, which is basically just a Buick competitor these days, is taking those risks... It's just too bad they don't have a better stylist. 

 

 

I'm not sure there will be a big bump in highway fuel economy. It will probably be conservatively rated around 31-32 mpg highway.  However it's city MPG should improve lending to an improvement in combined fuel economy.  Shutting off the engine at a stop and running on 4-cylinders from 25 mph - 65 mph at steady speed will help.

 

Look at where the current Lacrosse (3.6 V6 - 6Auto) is compared to the Cadillac CTS with an 8-speed, Start-Stop, and AFM.

 

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The Cadillac added Start/Stop and AFM to get a 2mpg combined increase. However, weight remained the same and the transmission, while new, has the same number of gears.

 

Now look at the ATS changes. It went from a 6-speed auto to an 8-speed auto and gained Start-Stop and AFM.  

 

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Weight stayed the same.  It too gained a 2 mpg bump in fuel economy.

 

 

So the 2017 Lacrosse gains an 8-speed + AFM + Start/Stop while also losing a few hundred pounds plus some minor aero tweaks.

 

A 2mpg increase over the current model can be the least expected while there is certainly the possibility for more if they put a taller final drive ratio than the CTS/ATS into it. 

cp-the-nerd

New Member

 

 

Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more? I'll wait, it's a super short list.

 

Start/stop and cylinder cutoff have been around a while.  I think every BMW has had start/stop and an 8 speed the past 3 years.  Lexus had an 8-speed transmission 9 years ago.   I also heard a Ford engineer say that start/stop gave about a 5% gain in city fuel economy.  So that is going from 20 to 21 mpg.  Not a deal breaker for most people.  

 

I think a 300 hp V6 with start/stop, 8 speed auto, 22/31 mpg is what is expected in a $35,000 car.  The Chrysler 300 had 300 hp and 31 mpg and an 8 speed n 2012.  That is just what is expected of the segment.  I think the Lacrosse engine is what the buyers want and expect.

 

 

That's not what I asked. Here it is again:

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more?

 

In other words: what vehicles feature all three of those technologies?

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Shame seeing this after Buick showed us this.

 

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And I don't really see any styling elements from it.

Such a shame.

smk4565

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Start/Stop and 8-speeds have been around for a few years. I saw a Ford engineer say that 90% of 2017 Escapes will be sold with start/stop, this is pretty standard stuff now, I think in 2020 it will be as common as ABS.

The Lacrosse will be fast enough for what it is. 305 HP is a lot for front wheel drive. And it is more important that a car like the Lacrosse has enough power to move around with the engine at 3,000 rpm or less. The typical Lacrosse buyer doesn't want to be revving to 6,000 rpm and bearing engine noise all the time.

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more? I'll wait, it's a super short list.

 

Start/stop and cylinder cutoff have been around a while.  I think every BMW has had start/stop and an 8 speed the past 3 years.  Lexus had an 8-speed transmission 9 years ago.   I also heard a Ford engineer say that start/stop gave about a 5% gain in city fuel economy.  So that is going from 20 to 21 mpg.  Not a deal breaker for most people.  

 

I think a 300 hp V6 with start/stop, 8 speed auto, 22/31 mpg is what is expected in a $35,000 car.  The Chrysler 300 had 300 hp and 31 mpg and an 8 speed n 2012.  That is just what is expected of the segment.  I think the Lacrosse engine is what the buyers want and expect.

 

 

That's not what I asked. Here it is again:

 

How many vehicles have start/stop, cylinder deactivation, AND 8-speeds or more?

 

In other words: what vehicles feature all three of those technologies?

 

Not many because most manufacturers don't use cylinder deactivation.  The more common path is smaller displacement with turbos.  Personally I don't even like start/stop, I turn it off when I get in a car that has it.  You can cherry pick 3 attributes from any car to say why don't others have it.  

 

I think it is good that the LaCrosse has an 8 speed, since cars like the 300 have 8 speeds, Acura and Chrysler 200 have 9 speeds.  This is where the market has gone.  I like that they used a V6 in the LaCrosse either, I think it fits the car better than a highly boosted turbo 4.

 

I don't think fuel economy matters a whole lot to most buyers.  Look at sales of pick ups, SUVs, crossovers, etc.  Cars win in handling, braking, ride, acceleration and fuel economy and still get outsold by the trucks.   People will trade that fuel economy away because gas is cheap here.

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Robert Hall

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I like how Buick has brought back the colors to the badge...not sure when this happened, but I recall them eliminating them some years ago..

I like how Buick has brought back the colors to the badge...not sure when this happened, but I recall them eliminating them some years ago..

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Shame seeing this after Buick showed us this.

 

 

 

 

And I don't really see any styling elements from it.

Such a shame.

 

 

 

actually its still a possibility that the Avenir is coming.. altho if U don't see the the similarities in these cars then U are just blind.. and attempting to bait. U remind me of one other hatin MOFOS that hates a particular competitor car.. but then suddenly when a NEW one debuts.. U say how much U loved the previous one, and U wish they hadn't changed it..  because the new one is your new target

 

 

 

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and that ass tho.. YUMMMY

 

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^ that Avenir is a gorgeous car. I've just never been a Buick fan. But if/when this gets produced it could very well change my mind.

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I am going to change my posted opinion on this car after coming to realize how it blends Avenir with first-gen LaCrosse and comes out the other end looking GAWJUSSSSS.

 

Also, wayback machine dictates that I dredge up the fact that I found the second-gen LaCrosse looked too high and narrow when it debuted.  This one has no problem looking long, low and wider.

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

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Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

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I think the interior looks good.  It is clean and simple, not overly tacky or loaded with buttons like some Acuras.  I think the interior is the strong point of this car, it looks better than the Azera or Cadenza or Avalon.

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Mixed on this. The interior is a winner. The exterior, I'd have to see it in person.

 

 

 

+1

 

 

Pretty much my thought as well.....though I do like the rear of the car here...

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

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Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

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Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

 

No Lincoln today has that much wood, gloss or not.

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

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Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

 

No Lincoln today has that much wood, gloss or not.

 

You're right about that.  The whole brand is pretty flaccid right now.

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Flaccid? As in yet another year of leading luxury brands in terms of sales gains?

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Even that new MKZ has a ton of plastic on the dash, you can tell it is a Fusion underneath.  A 400 hp twin turbo V6 is great, but without a rear drive chassis it is wasted.

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Even that new MKZ has a ton of plastic on the dash, you can tell it is a Fusion underneath.  A 400 hp twin turbo V6 is great, but without a rear drive chassis it is wasted.

 

Not true, plenty of premium materials like carbon fiber, aluminum, stitching, etc.

And their vector controlled AWD is superior to any RWD and the equal of any RWD biased AWD.

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

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Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

 

No Lincoln today has that much wood, gloss or not.

 

Doesn't matter. They do have it. That's all I saying while you try to pick apart a car not made by Ford.

 

Oh wait, they do have that and then some. It's just in the Navigator.

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Nothing close to the amount found in the Buick.

 

Anyway, stop making this about Lincoln surreal. This is about the less-than-inspirational reveal of a new Buick.

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Look I love the fact that people have their own personal opinions of what constitutes a good or bad amount of a certain kind of trim, but do we have to bog down this thread with irrelevant things to this thread?

 

Can ye move on?

 

If we want a debate, let's make a new thread about just that, acceptable amounts of wood grain (fake or real) in an interior. 

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Zactly

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Zactly

 

 

 

What I'm saying applies to you as well.

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Look I love the fact that people have their own personal opinions of what constitutes a good or bad amount of a certain kind of trim, but do we have to bog down this thread with irrelevant things to this thread?

 

Can ye move on?

 

If we want a debate, let's make a new thread about just that, acceptable amounts of wood grain (fake or real) in an interior. 

Lincoln is direct competition for Buick so when someone brings up things like wood grain as being a negative on one brand while completely ignoring the fact that the competition does the same thing, then it is perfectly legitimate for me to point that out. No trolling at all on my part nor was it meant to be. Just an honest observation on that. If certain people can't handle a simple reputable, then perhaps they are in the wrong place. 

 

I do understand where you are coming from though and will tone down the rhetoric.

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Not once did I say that you didn't have a right to your opinion. That's all you. What it means though, is that I also have the right to offer a counter opinion, i.e. you conveyed a negative connotation about the wood trim by mentioning the older demographic as a negative. Nothing more, nothing less. Funny how you pick and choose the "other car" argument. That's all I will say about that.

 

Now, about the Buick, while it's not my cup of tea, the Avenir front end is nice but I don't care much for the profile. Just doesn't resonate with me. The interior, however, is way above the outgoing model though, and for their target audience it will score in spades. Overall, a solid B+ from me.

 

Note to Buick though. Put out the Avenir. It is quite frankly only the second Buick I have ever really wanted (the GNX being the other). Seriously people. Make it happen. 

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Then you are reading what you want to read and no one can help you with that.

 

Now, again, about the Buick...

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Removed quoted posts and toned it down.

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Yes, Buick is setting a nice stage of upgraded product with the Lacrosse leading the way.

 

Now, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but will the Lacrosse get AWD?

 

Furthermore

 

Could Buick simply shrink this car to give us a new Regal? Any thoughts on that? 

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

.  

Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

 

No Lincoln today has that much wood, gloss or not.

 

Doesn't matter. They do have it. That's all I saying while you try to pick apart a car not made by Ford.

 

Oh wait, they do have that and then some. It's just in the Navigator.

2017-Lincoln-Navigator-interior2.jpg

 

 

 

Since suave deleted my replies to surreal, I will repeat again, but this time to the post in question.

 

Yes surreal, thank you for pointing out that Lincolns also have wood, but my point was simply that this Buick uses too much of it.

 

Care to discuss that, or do you have another obvious fact you can present?

Yes, Buick is setting a nice stage of upgraded product with the Lacrosse leading the way.

 

Now, I'm not sure if it was mentioned, but will the Lacrosse get AWD?

 

Furthermore

 

Could Buick simply shrink this car to give us a new Regal? Any thoughts on that? 

 

God I hope not.

The Regal needs to remain somewhat stylish and youthful for the segment.  Current Regal is the best looking Buick.

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New LaCrosse has optional AWD.

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Shame seeing this after Buick showed us this.

 

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And I don't really see any styling elements from it.

Such a shame.

right

 

gm is purposely 'debuicking their lineup, envision is a chinese x5, lacrosse has a nice azera vibe going on.

 

not that they aren't bad to look at, they are just stripped of their buick.  the avenir still has the buick.  i'd could set my 77 century coupe, or a 95 riviera, or a boattail riviera, or a 92 park avenue, and they would look in perfect company.

 

remember catera?  they stripped it of its cadillac

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Call me crazy but, I kind of liked the Catera.

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Funny, I was just going to change my original thoughts of how it looks good overall, with a C- grade in the styling department instead (previously about a B+ in my eyes).

.  

Also funny, how some new designs look strange at first, but you eventually or quickly warm to them and either grow appreciate them or finally recognize just how the look evolved or advanced, etc.  But somehow, the more I look at this, the less I am interested and the more I yearn for the sexy Avenir instead.

 

And that high gloss, overly wrought wood interior looks very plain to me, and something a much older demographic might enjoy.

The high gloss wood is an option, just like it is on the Lincolns that have it.

 

 

 

 

Since suave deleted my replies to surreal, I will repeat again, but this time to the post in question.

 

Yes surreal, thank you for pointing out that Lincolns also have wood, but my point was simply that this Buick uses too much of it.

 

Care to discuss that, or do you have another obvious fact you can present?

 

 

 

 

Buick is doing just fine, regardless of which age demographic they may be targeting. How's that for the obvious?

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Call me crazy but, I kind of liked the Catera.

 

I had some like for it also, but was it really identifiable as a Cadillac, 

Shame seeing this after Buick showed us this.

 

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And I don't really see any styling elements from it.

Such a shame.

More Auto Companies need to go back to having true design style that does not copy the competition in being mass production blah.

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Call me crazy but, I kind of liked the Catera.

 

I had some like for it also, but was it really identifiable as a Cadillac, 

 

The Catera was absolute garbage and a maintenance nightmare. It was the most "unCadillac" of all Cadillacs this side of a Cimarron. 

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The best part of the Opel-based “caddy that zigs” was the fact that Cindy Crawford was part of their marketing blitz.

 

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But keep in mind, it was being sold when there were still other cadillacs that looked like this,

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If I recall correctly, one of my likes with Caterra was a much improved interior over current Cadillacs and of course the price.

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Come on guys, if you want a Catera thread you are welcome to start one in the Cadillac Forum

Only one person wants that, it seems. I am not that person because the car was garbage and that is all I have to say about it.

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This Buick is a pretty sweet ride. Distractifying ain't gonna change that.

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Come on guys, if you want a Catera thread you are welcome to start one in the Cadillac Forum

Only one person wants that, it seems. I am not that person because the car was garbage and that is all I have to say about it.

 

 

There were three people who commented on that vehicle, including yourself.

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Distractifying time is over now.

The Buick, please.

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Well, I infer that because the GKN AWD system will be used, it can definitely handle a good amount of power.

 

I expect 5 years from now, some future updated version of the LGW might just end up in a Buick. 

 

They really should consider making some sleeper sedans juice.

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Well, I infer that because the GKN AWD system will be used, it can definitely handle a good amount of power.

 

I expect 5 years from now, some future updated version of the LGW might just end up in a Buick. 

 

They really should consider making some sleeper sedans juice.

I'm all for an Impala SS with the outgoing Caddy XTS-V driveline, personally.

Suaviloquent

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New LaCrosse has optional AWD.

 

Ye

surreal1272

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Come on guys, if you want a Catera thread you are welcome to start one in the Cadillac Forum

Only one person wants that, it seems. I am not that person because the car was garbage and that is all I have to say about it.

 

 

There were three people who commented on that vehicle, including yourself.

 

Yes and I said it was garbage, end of story. Besides, this not about the poster right? It's supposed to be about the subject. Moving along...

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Buick: American luxury, with coherent styling.

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I love this picture of the LaCrosse. 

 

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This one, too. 

 

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