Camaro to Die - Again

Shame on GM for killing it and also bad for Mustang.  Ford needs competition to keep improving the Mustang.

Edited June 25, 20196 yr by ykX

I'm sure the name will return on a sporty FWD/transverse CUV. 

6 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Rumors....

This is the second time the Camaro has been canceled.

IMHO, this should be reworded. ‘Rumor’ vs “has been”.

Things change in months-time, and this rumor mentions ‘3 years’.

Edited June 25, 20196 yr by balthazar

2 minutes ago, balthazar said:

IMHO, this should be reworded. ‘Rumor’ vs “has been”.

Things change in months-time, and this rumor mentions ‘3 years’.

updated.

This means that if the Challenger also gets canned when the LX cars go away, Mustang will be the only pony car to choose from. 

40 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

This means that if the Challenger also gets canned when the LX cars go away, Mustang will be the only pony car to choose from. 

As it was once before. 

Ford will bring back the 2005-2009 Mustang, exactly. They'll bring back the 3v 4.6 5spd and everything and laugh in people's faces. 

Maybe the Camaro will be reborn as an EV coupe CUV with styling cues from the 4th gen. 

10 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Maybe the Camaro will be reborn as an EV coupe CUV with styling cues from the 4th gen. 

I just threw up in my mouth a bit. 

Not or sure how reliable this information but it would not surprise given all the CUV news from GM it would not surprise me. Just a sad state of affairs. 

20 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I just threw up in my mouth a bit. 

 

Not or sure how reliable this information but it would not surprise given all the CUV news from GM it would not surprise me. Just a sad state of affairs. 

I know the journalist who is originally reporting this... I only put it up because I felt it was reliable. 

The story is all over the usual automotive press and blog pages on the FB now...maybe GM is intentionally leaking this 3 years early to try and spur lagging sales.

Edited June 25, 20196 yr by Robert Hall

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

I know the journalist who is originally reporting this... I only put it up because I felt it was reliable. 

Oh I’m not trying to discredit it so sorry if I came off that way. It really is anyone’s guess. Hell, a few months ago we were led to believe that the CT6 was dead in the water and not it’s not. Guess we will see when the time comes. 

1 hour ago, surreal1272 said:

I just threw up in my mouth a bit. 

 

Not or sure how reliable this information but it would not surprise given all the CUV news from GM it would not surprise me. Just a sad state of affairs. 

Good grief. Sorry for the drunk looking post. Too many grammatical errors for me to deal with lol. I’m not sure what exactly happened there. 

18 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Oh I’m not trying to discredit it so sorry if I came off that way. It really is anyone’s guess. Hell, a few months ago we were led to believe that the CT6 was dead in the water and not it’s not. Guess we will see when the time comes. 

Good grief. Sorry for the drunk looking post. Too many grammatical errors for me to deal with lol. I’m not sure what exactly happened there. 

It was that Scorpion Tequila you are drinking pool side for rehab!  

3 minutes ago, dfelt said:

It was that Scorpion Tequila you are drinking pool side for rehab!  

I wish that were the excuse lol. Besides I prefer Patron Silver. I’m going to blame this on multitasking. 

The Camaro got too expensive, plus gen 6 doesn’t look as good as gen 5 and you can’t see out of them.  People also want crossovers not coupes, so they better get performance crossovers ready. 

People don’t want performance crossovers tho.

16 minutes ago, balthazar said:

People don’t want performance crossovers tho.

And yet Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley and AMG have them, and Ferrari is coming.  No one buys the Alfa Romeo or Maserati crossovers, but no one buys from those brands anyway.  Ford wouldn't do Edge ST and Explorer ST if they didn't think they could sell them.

Barra strikes again

11 minutes ago, regfootball said:

Barra strikes again

Well it makes more financial sense for Chevy to introduce a crossover in between the Equinox and Blazer than to do a new Camaro, because then they can do a GMC clone of it too.  Sadly the people just want more crossovers.  I think this crossover craze sucks, but the tribe has spoken.

Edited June 25, 20196 yr by smk4565

Well when everything Barra builds will be autonomous/EV, and those two traits are the very antithesis of the Camaro spirit, I am not surprised in the least.  She is poison.  Absolutely.

It is the ugly duckiing of the 3 pony cars, hopefully when it comes back at some point that won't be the case.

22 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Well when everything Barra builds will be autonomous/EV, and those two traits are the very antithesis of the Camaro spirit, I am not surprised in the least.  She is poison.  Absolutely.

Poison to enthusiasts maybe, but not to shareholders who only care about GM's bottom line and the dividend payout.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Poison to enthusiasts maybe, but not to shareholders who only care about GM's bottom line and the dividend payout.

Sad but very true.

If the Camaro is going to be discontinued in three years, I am sorry for it to go.  Then again, the new Camaro (if there is one) needs a better stylist and some more glass since the current one looks like somebody could become claustrophobic once inside.

What if the 7th gen would have been styled by the Silverado HD stylist?  Give it some big truck touches like huge mirrors, large windows, etc.  We will never know what could have been... 

Edited June 26, 20196 yr by Robert Hall

3 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Poison to enthusiasts maybe, but not to shareholders who only care about GM's bottom line and the dividend payout.

You think, by chance, that Porsche shareholders got out their pitchforks and torches when VW announced a Porsche SUV was coming? And burned all their stock certificates? What shareholder DOESN'T care about the company's bottom line?

Wait- that would be Tesla's.

5 hours ago, balthazar said:

People don’t want performance crossovers tho.

I do, I would love an updated Trailblazer AWD SS. There is a Desire for roomy performance SUV's, I would totally disagree with you. Look at the solid sales of the Trackhawk.

It’s not really rumor....betting more “confirmed”. I’ll be sad to see the name go, but not the car. It has no personality. At least a certain LX car can still get things done for those of us who still care about cars...

Barra wasn’t joking about the move to EV an self driving. It’s why the shareholders can still get a hard on about it. The Camaro just happened to be the first victim. You will see the Ax start dropping elsewhere in the near future. Normally I would say that GM is totally stupid on this-but the upcoming sheep don’t want personalities, they just want more time with the phone.......

I’m not even so sure about the Mustang either...Ford is but inches away from doing some major cost cutting themselves, and I promise you it won’t be the trucks cut...

At least for now we have the Vette...granted if we could afford one. ? . I can only hope we can have some fun to drive EVs...Heck- I’m less concerned about the EVs and more worried about being forced to gear self driving objects..

Dammit, I just want to enjoy good cars!!

It’s sh*it like this that makes me want the Equinox being the last GM car I ever own....I hope they can get me to change my mind.......

A few train of thoughts:

- Maybe it's all a ruse... Just like the ATS was supposed to go away with the CT5 replacing CTS and ATS... Then all of sudden, a surprise announcement for the CT4. (too similar to the CT5, but whatever...)

- GM is doing this to themselves. When they don't get the styling or quality right and sales sag - they blame the customers, and not themselves.  The belt line is ridiculous on this car - very hard to see out of and makes it not pleasant to drive on a daily basis.  The styling has gotten considerably more squinty and quite frankly ugly. They are doing the same thing with the Impala - they let it sit on the vine for years without updating it while the competition got tougher, and then blame sagging sales on customers wanting SUVs.

- Why then did they make such a big deal about the Blazer having "Camaro styling cues" - if the Camaro is so bad for sales, then I don't know why they would borrow cues from it and slap it on an SUV. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it were re-born as yet another styling exercise 5 passenger SUV... *yawn* has the market been saturated with these enough already??

- As for EVs... Go ahead and do it - they will be surprised when they've dumped all this capital into these models and they only sell sub 100k quantities. This will be a disaster. This is America, and people like to drive without having to stop for 8 hours to charge up. For some reason, product planners at the auto companies (and investors) are thinking everyone lives in LA or NYC. 

2 hours ago, texas99alpha said:

 

- GM is doing this to themselves. When they don't get the styling or quality right and sales sag - they blame the customers not themselves.

Ding, ding, ding!!!   We have a winner.

4 hours ago, texas99alpha said:

A few train of thoughts:

- Maybe it's all a ruse... Just like the ATS was supposed to go away with the CT5 replacing CTS and ATS... Then all of sudden, a surprise announcement for the CT4. (too similar to the CT5, but whatever...)

- GM is doing this to themselves. When they don't get the styling or quality right and sales sag - they blame the customers, and not themselves.  The belt line is ridiculous on this car - very hard to see out of and makes it not pleasant to drive on a daily basis.  The styling has gotten considerably more squinty and quite frankly ugly. They are doing the same thing with the Impala - they let it sit on the vine for years without updating it while the competition got tougher, and then blame sagging sales on customers wanting SUVs.

- Why then did they make such a big deal about the Blazer having "Camaro styling cues" - if the Camaro is so bad for sales, then I don't know why they would borrow cues from it and slap it on an SUV. And yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if it were re-born as yet another styling exercise 5 passenger SUV... *yawn* has the market been saturated with these enough already??

- As for EVs... Go ahead and do it - they will be surprised when they've dumped all this capital into these models and they only sell sub 100k quantities. This will be a disaster. This is America, and people like to drive without having to stop for 8 hours to charge up. For some reason, product planners at the auto companies (and investors) are thinking everyone lives in LA or NYC. 

All true, except for the EV charging issue.  There are a LOT of engineers working on making those batteries (and hence EVs) charge faster than 8 hours.  When charging gets down to 8 minutes or less, EVs will sell like hotcakes.

5 minutes ago, riviera74 said:

All true, except for the EV charging issue.  There are a LOT of engineers working on making those batteries (and hence EVs) charge faster than 8 hours.  When charging gets down to 8 minutes or less, EVs will sell like hotcakes.

Right!

I am so tired of those that consistently point out the long battery charge times, not like ICE in the early 1900's when you borrowed a milk can from the farmer and walked to a gas station to get gas cause you ran out. This is the early stage of EVs and we have the tech coming as I posted before and will post again here. We have battery tech that gives 6 min and 12 min full recharges. 200 miles in 6 min or 400 miles in 12 min. What is slow about that?

9 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I am so tired of those that consistently point out the long battery charge times,

Well, they're not there/here yet so there's reason to bring it up. 

Edited June 26, 20196 yr by ccap41

50+K is more than the XT5. GM needs to figure out how to make money on cars that don;t sell in the hundreds of thousands or they are going to have a problem going forward Camaro or no Camaro..

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Ding, ding, ding!!!   We have a winner.

Name one company that doesn’t do that very thing when things are going sour. 

5 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

Name one company that doesn’t do that very thing when things are going sour. 

MB is getting rid of the slow selling SLC, right? Or SLK, whatever the fck it's called... The small sh!tty convertible. 

I'm surprised GM would do this, they will need a RWD performance sports coupe for when the C7 goes away....(I suspect the C8 is going to be a total dud in the market, they will have to do something). 

Well, something came out today that it is a "delay" or "pushed back" and not canceled. 

4 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Well, something came out today that it is a "delay" or "pushed back" and not canceled. 

Can you link me?

15 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

MB is getting rid of the slow selling SLC, right? Or SLK, whatever the fck it's called... The small sh!tty convertible. 

Exactly my point. Not dismissing the statement about GM because it’s true, for the most part, but history has shown that all of them have done it at one time or another and continue to do it today. 

38 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Can you link me?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/report-there-will-be-no-seventh-generation-chevrolet-camaro/

Quote

…they blame the customers not themselves.

Yet in this very thread we see the customers (John Q and the auto rags) IMMEDIATELY jump to the conclusion the Camaro is permanently cancelled, just like they did with the CT6. That jump is all on the customer.

Edited June 26, 20196 yr by balthazar

36 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/report-there-will-be-no-seventh-generation-chevrolet-camaro/

 

Delayed indefinitely / until further notice.

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Well, something came out today that it is a "delay" or "pushed back" and not canceled. 

Are ya talking about this?

https://www.donlen.com/production-cars-gm.html

https://www.donlen.com/production-trucks-gm.html

?

Interesting that the Camaro has build and engineering restrictions for the 2020 model

So yes DELAYED TILL FURTHER NOTICE, when in reality, if they fixed the bunker look, opened up the green house and gave it a decent face, it would sell just fine.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/06/report-there-will-be-no-seventh-generation-chevrolet-camaro/

They just need to stop making yearly or biyearly changes(Ford as well). Let costs get amortized out and actually have the cars paid off so you have a lesser cost per vehicle and you could charge less and get more people into them again. Nearly 35k for a Mustang GT/Camaro SS...sucks. 

They don't need to barely one-up each other every other year. They're fantastic cars already. Let them "mature" a bit and just do basic paint and wheel changes every year and then some tweaks where necessary..NECESSARY(faulty design, bad hardware, etc.). Instead of 3 year mid-cycle refresh, that should be 5 years and 10 for a clean sheet design.

Edited June 26, 20196 yr by ccap41

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

They just need to stop making yearly or biyearly changes(Ford as well). Let costs get amortized out and actually have the cars paid off so you have a lesser cost per vehicle and you could charge less and get more people into them again. Nearly 35k for a Mustang GT/Camaro SS...sucks. 

They don't need to barely one-up each other every other year. They're fantastic cars already. Let them "mature" a bit and just do basic paint and wheel changes every year and then some tweaks where necessary..NECESSARY(faulty design, bad hardware, etc.). Instead of 3 year mid-cycle refresh, that should be 5 years and 10 for a clean sheet design.

10 years is way too long. Nissan has basically done that with the Z am I couldn’t tell you the last time I saw one and I wouldn’t know the difference between a 2019 370Z and a 2009 370Z. I get what you’re saying but no car goes that long (if they want to survive anyway). Maybe a 4 year mid cycle refresh and 7 years (tops) for a clean sheet IMO. The pricing has gotten insane as well but that can be said for virtually every car and truck on the road today. 

I think a 3yr refresh with clean sheet new model every 6 years is a doable solution.

19 minutes ago, dfelt said:

I think a 3yr refresh with clean sheet new model every 6 years is a doable solution.

I could live with that as well. Makes more sense too.