Hummer Is Back As A 1,000 HP Truck By GMC

This is pretty awesome. 

Holy crap.

I kinda liked the Hummer design DNA, but I really like the teaser shot’s peek: same DNA but really upscale/futuristic. Excellent idea to sub-brand it under GMC. 
I expect it’s going to to be mad expensive tho.

Awesome, so EXCITED to see the reveal on May 20th 2020.

EXCITEMENT!

Brought to you by the fine folk's at GMC

I totally agree with @balthazar that the Hummer design DNA is very upscale / futuristic and should do well as a sub brand of GMC. Be interesting to see what the starting price will be. I expect this will be around $80K and go up and over $100K for the fully loaded AWD 1,000HP / 11,500 lbft of torque monster. I can see them selling every one they make if they deliver on the quality, specs and rich looking DNA Style.

Now we are talking, let’s just see when GM gets it to production and how true they stay to the numbers.  I suspect they will but the 1,000 hp version could be $150,000 and I think that is fine, there will be less powerful, lower priced options than the 1,000 hp model.

Once this gets affordable this is why gas engines are also on death row.  The C9 Corvette should have this powertrain.

5 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Now we are talking, let’s just see when GM gets it to production and how true they stay to the numbers.  I suspect they will but the 1,000 hp version could be $150,000 and I think that is fine, there will be less powerful, lower priced options than the 1,000 hp model.

Once this gets affordable this is why gas engines are also on death row.  The C9 Corvette should have this powertrain.

Yes the C9 should have this powertrain, along with the current mid-engine version.  See what sells and what does not.

As for Hummer by GMC, GM should have done this the first time 20 years ago.  A Hummer EV is a bonus to making it a GMC sub-brand like Denali.  I wonder how the Eco-warriors will respond to this.

Agree that Hummer should have always been a sub-brand of GMC as a special off road product line. I am excited to see it on 5/20/2020 and learn more about it. I hope they really hit a home run on the style and interior. 

Hopefully this is a Wrangler/Bronco type vehicle in EV form.  I think making it a huge full size SUV that is H2 size will be a miss.  I don't see it doing well as a pick up truck either.   A Jeep Grand Cherokee sized SUV is the way to go, with that off road ability and nicer interior than you'd get in a Ford or Jeep, more like a GMC Denali level interior.

33 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Hopefully this is a Wrangler/Bronco type vehicle in EV form.  I think making it a huge full size SUV that is H2 size will be a miss.

Is the literally exact same size g550 also a "huge full size SUV miss"??

52 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Hopefully this is a Wrangler/Bronco type vehicle in EV form.  I think making it a huge full size SUV that is H2 size will be a miss.  I don't see it doing well as a pick up truck either.   A Jeep Grand Cherokee sized SUV is the way to go, with that off road ability and nicer interior than you'd get in a Ford or Jeep, more like a GMC Denali level interior.

Umm, you do know this is a pickup right?! There is a talk of an SUV, but rumor has it that it hinges on whether or not the truck does decently in sales.

25 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Is the literally exact same size g550 also a "huge full size SUV miss"??

The G550 is a mid-size SUV.  It is smaller than a GLE.  

The GMC Hummer should be a mid-size SUV, which hits the sweet spot of the market, also makes it better off road.

13 minutes ago, William Maley said:

Umm, you do know this is a pickup right?! There is a talk of an SUV, but rumor has it that it hinges on whether or not the truck does decently in sales.

If it is a pickup I think it will fall flat.  SUV is a bigger market segment, and the Cybertruck is going to be out and steal the thunder from the market.  Also luxury pickups have failed in the past, the Escalade EXT, the 2 Lincoln attempts, the Hummer truck, Mercedes didn't even try here and is pulling the plug elsewhere, etc.  The $100k+ luxury pickup market is non-existent,  Sure they can try to create it, but that is tough sledding.  

Google claims a g550 is 189-191”, and an H2 is 189”.

Individual pickups FAR outsell any individual SUV.

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by balthazar

I'm really impressed... those numbers are staggering.  Blind spot monitoring optional, I'm sure.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Google claims a g550 is 189-191”, and an H2 is 189”.

Individual pickups FAR outsell any individual SUV.

H2 is much wider and taller, and the H2 was 203.5 inches long because it is a Tahoe.  

Individual pickups sell more because there are fewer of them.  Add up the pickups then compare it to SUV's, there were 8.27 million SUV's sold in the USA in 2019 vs 3.11 million pickups.   And pickups have a much higher fleet rate than SUV's in general.  And there were zero light duty pickups sold in the USA over $100,000 last year, while SUV's do sell for over $100k.

I think the GMC Hummer is going to be expensive given their specs, so their best chance at sales success is SUV.  

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by smk4565

18 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

...the H2 was 203.5 inches long because it is a Tahoe.  

No; it was not 'A Tahoe'. And :

Individual pickups sell more because there are fewer of them.

That makes absolutely no sense.
If you want to introduce a model that has the highest potential for volume, you introduce a pick-up. It's not a viable approach to introduce 10 SUV/CUVs at once in order to outsell a single pick-up line, just because.

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by balthazar

Wikipedia said 203 inches. 

If it was only 189 it didn't seem it since it was 6,600 lbs and the H3 was 188 inches long which seemed much smaller.

But I think 190 inches long is a good spot for a new GMC Hummer.

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by smk4565

Actually that same spec chart said 6400.

But in a world where a 180" long unibody 2-seater weighs 4400lbs, 6400 seems totally relative.

Heck, I’m just hoping for cheaper models for this...

I was sold at the front lighting up the way it did.... ?

Front looks cool as well......

10 hours ago, balthazar said:

No; it was not 'A Tahoe'. And :

 

 

That makes absolutely no sense.
If you want to introduce a model that has the highest potential for volume, you introduce a pick-up. It's not a viable approach to introduce 10 SUV/CUVs at once in order to outsell a single pick-up line, just because.

That is conflicting info on the length. Every other site says 203 inches and I checked at least ten different sites on this. The site you're using seems to be the only one measuring it at 189", which seems obscenely short.

13 hours ago, balthazar said:

Is the literally exact same size g550 also a "huge full size SUV miss"??

An H2 is not even remotely the same size as a G Wagen. 

@balthazar--From that same site (that you used) when looking up a different year H2. The one for 2003 is wrong.

https://www.newcartestdrive.com/reviews/2005-hummer-h2/

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by surreal1272

OK- thanks for the correction. Always good to cross-reference!

Just as long as it does not look like this.

?

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/street-spot-black-and-gold-hummer-h2-belongs-to-alligator-ron-bergeron/

1 minute ago, dfelt said:

Just as long as it does not look like this.

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https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/street-spot-black-and-gold-hummer-h2-belongs-to-alligator-ron-bergeron/

Gakk...that thing is a special kind of hideous... tasteless bling trash.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

OK- thanks for the correction. Always good to cross-reference!

No worries. These sites can be tricky with older model cars lol. 

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Just as long as it does not look like this.

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https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/street-spot-black-and-gold-hummer-h2-belongs-to-alligator-ron-bergeron/

What's weird is if they used about 1/5 - 1/4 of that gold, it would look pretty sharp being black with some gold accents. Buuuuuuut, as it stands, that's hideous. 

Gonna be a beast. 11,500 lb.- ft.?! GM: Hey any anyone want to pull a house off it's foundation and down the street?! Or just a truck load full of Elon Musk's narcissistic ego?! We got ya!

Pretty much an F U to Tesla. "Cybertruck this Elon Musk" ??

1 hour ago, dfelt said:

Just as long as it does not look like this.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/street-spot-black-and-gold-hummer-h2-belongs-to-alligator-ron-bergeron/

Straight up Krunk!

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by USA-1

28 minutes ago, USA-1 said:

Gonna be a beast. 11,500 lb.- ft.?! GM: Hey any anyone want to pull a house off it's foundation and down the street?! Or just a truck load full of Elon Musk's narcissistic ego?! We got ya!

Pretty much an F U to Tesla. "Cybertruck this Elon Musk" ??

Right, CyberTruck has nothing on Hummer by GMC!  

After all everyone loves a Hummer! ? Even the Eco Warriors can get behind this Hummer! ?

The marketing seems good so far.  The torque thing is a bit of freedom with how torque is calculated.  In actual torque it will probably be more like 900 or 1,000, which is still insane but it doesn’t make 11,500 lb-ft comparative to a gas engine.

26 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The marketing seems good so far.  The torque thing is a bit of freedom with how torque is calculated.  In actual torque it will probably be more like 900 or 1,000, which is still insane but it doesn’t make 11,500 lb-ft comparative to a gas engine.

You do not know that. If this is a quad motor Hummer EV, that torque is very real.

No one really knows as we do not have any details to state what is real torque versus peak short jump in torque.

Hopefully 5/20/2020 will answer that for us.

42 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The marketing seems good so far.  The torque thing is a bit of freedom with how torque is calculated.  In actual torque it will probably be more like 900 or 1,000, which is still insane but it doesn’t make 11,500 lb-ft comparative to a gas engine.

Right. I don't think anyone here was comparing it to an ICE engine. A BEV goes about power delivery in a totally different way and all torque is available at 0 RPM. It really should be stated as 11,500 lb.-"in." of torque for electric motors, but that would confuse John Q. Public. There's a whole different equation to it, but either way it's well into the thousands.  

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by USA-1

1 minute ago, USA-1 said:

Right. I don't think anyone here was comparing it to an ICE engine. A BEV goes about power delivery in a totally different way and all torque is available at 0 RPM. It really should be stated as 11,500 lb.-"in." of torque for electric motors, but that would confuse John Q. Public. There's a whole different equation to it.  

Just like we have to educate the public on newton meters versus lb-ft like HP versus kW. EV's require a change in thinking and as has been proven so much, older folks have a harder time changing gears to the new mind set.

Course Cadillac is already confusing the boomers with 400 versus 2.0 LOL

FWIW, I've read the ZR1 Vette has something like 9300 lb-ft of torque in 1st gear when multiplied similarly. 

22 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Just like we have to educate the public on newton meters versus lb-ft like HP versus kW. EV's require a change in thinking and as has been proven so much, older folks have a harder time changing gears to the new mind set.

Course Cadillac is already confusing the boomers with 400 versus 2.0 LOL

Yeah, those pesky Nm's haha.

Here's some numbers that will make everyone's head spin.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrical-motors-hp-torque-rpm-d_1503.html

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/moment-rotating-shaft-d_952.html

Edited January 31, 20205 yr by USA-1

1 hour ago, USA-1 said:

Yeah, those pesky Nm's haha.

Here's some numbers that will make everyone's head spin.

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrical-motors-hp-torque-rpm-d_1503.html

https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/moment-rotating-shaft-d_952.html

OUTSTANDING Links. 

Very engineering which I love, but not all might get it. LOL  

5 hours ago, dfelt said:

Just as long as it does not look like this.

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https://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/08/street-spot-black-and-gold-hummer-h2-belongs-to-alligator-ron-bergeron/

Money CANNOT buy Class.  This is the textbook antonym of class.

58 minutes ago, dfelt said:

OUTSTANDING Links. 

Very engineering which I love, but not all might get it. LOL  

Yep. Good stuff! ???

3 hours ago, ccap41 said:

FWIW, I've read the ZR1 Vette has something like 9300 lb-ft of torque in 1st gear when multiplied similarly. 

Yes. Torque rises over engine RPM, but at the same time, torque ratings do not take into account the torque multipliers of the gearbox and rear axle. Both of those provide huge multiples, but torque at the wheels in first isn’t something commonly (or ever) rated.

The worlds of IC torque and EV torque (at LAUNCH) is a lot closer than people think.

I hope this concept comes back out, would love this as an AWD EV.