August 24, 200619 yr Jeep and the original VW Beetle are contenders in this race. EDIT: I don't have the numbers, but I think the Beetle still holds the title.
August 24, 200619 yr Author Ever? Corolla 184438[/snapback] You are right, with about 32 million sold worldwide.
August 25, 200619 yr It isn't as impressive as say the VW Beetle or the Model T.....they essentially stayed the same over their lifespan and sold huge amounts whereas the Corolla nameplate has been on many different cars over many years.
August 25, 200619 yr Author It isn't as impressive as say the VW Beetle or the Model T.....they essentially stayed the same over their lifespan and sold huge amounts whereas the Corolla nameplate has been on many different cars over many years. 184600[/snapback] The Beetle sold 22 million from 1938-2003.
August 25, 200619 yr Jeep and the original VW Beetle are contenders in this race. EDIT: I don't have the numbers, but I think the Beetle still holds the title. No Jeep model (or even the "Jeep," assuming all CJs and Wranglers) ever racked up huge life-long numbers. If you assume 100,000 units a year (which it currently doesn't reach) for nearly 60 years, you'd still only come up with 6,000,000, which is less than half of the Model T's 15 million, just about 1/4 of the "Beetle's" total, and less than 1/5 of the Corolla's total. I'm sure the F-Series beat is well above any total for the CJ/Wranglers.
August 25, 200619 yr Author No Jeep model (or even the "Jeep," assuming all CJs and Wranglers) ever racked up huge life-long numbers. If you assume 100,000 units a year (which it currently doesn't reach) for nearly 60 years, you'd still only come up with 6,000,000, which is less than half of the Model T's 15 million, just about 1/4 of the "Beetle's" total, and less than 1/5 of the Corolla's total. I'm sure the F-Series beat is well above any total for the CJ/Wranglers. 184645[/snapback] The F series is up around 29 million.
August 25, 200619 yr Exactly... officially the Corolla is the title holder if we count all the different cars that share NOTHING except an emblem. Simply putting the "Corolla" emblem on millions of different cars that are styled differently and are any combination of RWD, FWD AWD, have 2,3,4 or 5 doors, the engines are anything from OHV, OHC & DOHC, natrually aspired, turbo, BOF, uniobody, compact, sub-compact, midsize & ultra compact.... you get the point. A 1939 Beetle and 2002 Mexico Beetle are 99% the same car mechanically and 85% the same car stylistically. A 1979 Corolla & 1989 Corolla (even if they're both US/JDM) share NOTHING. Not styling not mechanicals not a thing. Edited August 25, 200619 yr by Sixty8panther
August 25, 200619 yr Exactly... officially the Corolla is the title holder if we count all the different cars that share NOTHING except an emblem. Simply putting the "Corolla" emblem on millions of different cars that are styled differently and are any combination of RWD, FWD AWD, have 2,3,4 or 5 doors, the engines are anything from OHV, OHC & DOHC, natrually aspired, turbo, BOF, uniobody, compact, sub-compact, midsize & ultra compact.... you get the point. A 1939 Beetle and 2002 Mexico Beetle are 99% the same car mechanically and 85% the same car stylistically. A 1979 Corolla & 1989 Corolla (even if they're both US/JDM) share NOTHING. Not styling not mechanicals not a thing. 184917[/snapback] He didn't ask the question which is the best selling car with the minimal amount of changes.... he asked which was the best selling nameplate. And yes... the most nameplates sold say Corolla
August 26, 200619 yr A 1939 Beetle and 2002 Mexico Beetle are 99% the same car mechanically and 85% the same car stylistically. Sorry to dispute this, but not one part from the 1939 will fit on a 2002 Volkswagen "Beetle." They are not even close to beign "99% the same car mechanically." I agree with the latter part (maybe 70-75%, but I agree with the concept).
August 26, 200619 yr Oldsmoboi: I'm not contesting that Corolla is not the right answer but I'm saying it looses a lot of magic when the Corolla's continuous production is compared to the decades of air-cooled pancake powered VW Bugs that were made all over the world. There was not, is not and never will be a "world car" like the original Beetle. --------- Hudson: Mexican made Beetles, not the FE/FWD/H20-cooled Golf 2dr with a rounder "NEW BEETLE" body. Up until a couple years ago they still made RE/RWD/air-cooled VW Beetles in Mexico. Obviously I'd never say ANYTHING interchanged from a 1938 KdF to a 2002 Beetle with a DOHC Inline-4 motor, aircraft carrier size dashboard, front mounted transverse powertrain & plastic fenders. The rest is exageration for effect...
August 26, 200619 yr Notice I said MEXICAN Beetle. On July 30, 2003, the last Type 1 rolled off the production line in Puebla, Puebla, Mexico. It was car number 21,529,464, and was immediately shipped off to the company's museum in Wolfsburg, Germany. In true Mexican fashion, a mariachi band serenaded the last car in the 68-year-old history. The last car was nicknamed El Rey, which is Spanish for "The King". The last 3000 type 1's were called the "Ultima Edicion" or the last edition.
August 28, 200619 yr Hudson: Mexican made Beetles, not the FE/FWD/H20-cooled Golf 2dr with a rounder "NEW BEETLE" body. Up until a couple years ago they still made RE/RWD/air-cooled VW Beetles in Mexico. Obviously I'd never say ANYTHING interchanged from a 1938 KdF to a 2002 Beetle with a DOHC Inline-4 motor, aircraft carrier size dashboard, front mounted transverse powertrain & plastic fenders. The rest is exageration for effect... I hope I don't seem condecending in my response, but I know the car. The Volkswagen Type 1. And I restate that virtually nothing was interchangable between the first generation Type 1 and the last one produced. While they may have looked similar, they had not interchangable parts. Edited August 28, 200619 yr by Hudson
August 28, 200619 yr I would think manufacturing techniques alone would render many of the integral components unique over the course of times.
August 29, 200619 yr The last of the classic Beetles were not assembled using standard torq screws & sheetrock nails... tools are tools. Notice the simple external hinges on the doors, the hood, motor, suspension, trans. interior, wheels, fenders & side glass... they're all interchangable. If not directly then with very nimor modifgication. Show me a 1950s era Beetle and I'll show you a 2002 Beetle with 5-mph bumer delete, a smaller 2-piece rear window design a less evolved motor design, the lack of an AM-FM-stereo, smaller taillights, blinkers and bias ply tires oen simpler wheels. Now you show me ONE friggin thing that's interchangable between these 1960s-2000s Toyota Corollas... Why do we have to argue over such petty technicalities? The Beetle is basically the same damn car from 1946 - 2002. The Corolla has evolved as much as the Impala has in its lifetime.
August 29, 200619 yr For what it's worth: Here's a comparison of VWs from the 1930s all the way to 2002. Sure the windshield & rear window(s) got bigger and the blinkers moved around but a front fender, door, wheel or bumper still bolts on regardless of how silly it would look. And here's some photos from a 2002 VW Sedan (Beetle) Brochure.
August 29, 200619 yr Do everyone a favor, we all love hypocrasy so you should go buy another import then tell everyone how evil Japan, Inc. is. Then go on more irrational rants about how perfect the auto industry was in 1967 or 1973 or whatever, but make sure you maintain your naive attitude towards the modern business world. That stuff people care about, because it amuses them, much like the monkeys at the circus who dance. Dance monkey, dance.
August 29, 200619 yr Do everyone a favor, we all love hypocrasy so you should go buy another import then tell everyone how evil Japan, Inc. is. Then go on more irrational rants about how perfect the auto industry was in 1967 or 1973 or whatever, but make sure you maintain your naive attitude towards the modern business world. That stuff people care about, because it amuses them, much like the monkeys at the circus who dance. Dance monkey, dance. 186482[/snapback] So is this the part in the thread where I tell you to go roll your Fusion into a ditch while delivering pizza? You had NO contribution to this thread... NONE! So why the hell did you post here? Just to be a prick? Your opinions of cars are juvenile, your enthusiasm for cars is minimal and you try to act like you have some sort of significant contribution when most of the time you're useless. If I wanted to cut you down I'd say you're a f##king pizza delivery boy! Jesus you're a complete twit. You know what I think of you? You're a worthless piece of white trash with low self esteem and so you project these qualities onto others and make fun of kids who drive 1985 IROC-Zs to make yourself feel better about how your only accomplishment in life has been to total a Camry (with rear door delete) while delivering pizza. You're the comic relief here... you have a funny one liner occasionally other than that I can't even remember the last time you had a serious post that included a valid opinion (non-mullet/white-trash-related) about the automotive world. So now you know what I think of YOU. I'll just pretend you don't exist and you do vice-versa.
August 29, 200619 yr I read in a Car & Driver article about the Mexican Beetle that not one part interchanged between the original models and this last model...they looked similar, but were quite different in the details.
August 30, 200619 yr I read in a Car & Driver article about the Mexican Beetle that not one part interchanged between the original models and this last model...they looked similar, but were quite different in the details.This is my point. I am making no comments regarding the Corolla's interchangability because anyone with half a brain can see that no parts would swap. My point is only that the modern Type 1 shares NO PARTS with the original...that's all. They only LOOK similar.
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