October 20, 200619 yr Original image can be seen here. For 2008, the Cobalt SS will be turbocharged. For 2009, the 2.2 will be the LAP instead of the L61. There is also a possibility of a six-speed manual transmission. Designed for a torque rate of up to 400 Nm, the new six-speed manual transmission by Fiat-GM-Powertrain, internally named F40 transmission, is a new torque transmission benchmark for FWD cars with transverse engine and transmission installation. Development of the new transmission was led by Opel Powertrain GmbH in Rüsselsheim, Germany. It was first used in the Opel Signum and Vectra in combination with the 2.0 Turbo Ecotec, the 1.9 CDTI, and 3.0 V6 CDTI Ecotec engines. During the development phase of the compact, low mass manual transmission, simple matching provisions for Saab, Pontiac, Fiat, Lancia, and Alfa Romeo models were also included. Credit is due to red_wing_2121 and NoRemorse from Cobalt SS.net Forums. Read the full thread there. Edited October 20, 200619 yr by YellowJacket894
October 20, 200619 yr Very cool that we finally have it somewhat confirmed. Will this be the FWD version of the Solstice GXP's and Sky Redline's engine?
October 20, 200619 yr so no update to the 2.4 is seen on this pic? the "lap"..?... gonnna "fully update " it then? on the other forums, someone guessing the lap2.2 could be the hybrid engine option...?
October 20, 200619 yr Good to see the 4T45-E is planned to stick around untill 2009. 206802[/snapback] Why? GM needs to start getting rid of its 4speed autos like yesterday.
October 20, 200619 yr Why? GM needs to start getting rid of its 4speed autos like yesterday. 206874[/snapback] I am almost certain that he was being sarcastic.
October 21, 200619 yr F40 is the same 6-speed manual as the G6 and the Saab 9-3. I'm willing to guess the LAP is the 2.2L Hybrid, given that the RPO code for the 2.4 Hybrid is LAT. http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/produ.../2007/07car.htm BTW, is it still GMX001 all the way up till 2009??
October 21, 200619 yr Making wider availability of the 2.4-liter I-4 would be a very wise move-how much power is this turbocharged version and will this make an appearance on the Astra Red Line or a G5 GXP?
October 21, 200619 yr Look at the codes closer, LAP is 2009 and appears to replace the base L61, LNF is the 2.0 which is the DI turbo.
October 21, 200619 yr I was talking about this the other day with some product specialists about how crazed we have become over HP and gears in our cars. Back in the 80s, family cars had under 100 horsepower and came with 3 speed autos...... today we are looking at 8 gears and 600 hp in production cars.... how fast do people really need to go 100 feet in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic?
October 22, 200619 yr I was talking about this the other day with some product specialists about how crazed we have become over HP and gears in our cars. Back in the 80s, family cars had under 100 horsepower and came with 3 speed autos...... today we are looking at 8 gears and 600 hp in production cars.... how fast do people really need to go 100 feet in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic? 207119[/snapback] Good point. The car I owned that I had the most fun in was my '87 Integra with the rousing 113 hp. I wish there was a little bit more emphasis on high fuel economy than over-the-top performance these days.I like the Cobalt, but I couldn't get too excited over the SS I drove because I don't care for the feel and sound of supercharged cars. I'm not sure I care for turbocharging any more than supercharging, but choices are always good.
October 22, 200619 yr I was talking about this the other day with some product specialists about how crazed we have become over HP and gears in our cars. Back in the 80s, family cars had under 100 horsepower and came with 3 speed autos...... today we are looking at 8 gears and 600 hp in production cars.... how fast do people really need to go 100 feet in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic? 207119[/snapback] yeah, but that's why it's nice to live in a "ruralish" area. not nearly as much rush hour traffic... i all comes back to cars are made to be driven philosophy.
October 24, 200619 yr Good to see. I hope its a solid 250hp. I hope the 2.4L gets ome updates too...direct injection would be nice and the accompanying hp boost Edited October 27, 200619 yr by avro206
October 26, 200619 yr Good to see. I hope its a solid 250hp. I hope the 2.4L gets ome updates too...direct injection would be nice and the accompanying ho boost. 207909[/snapback] If my ho get a boost, she better get me mo money. -RBB Edited October 26, 200619 yr by RBB
August 16, 200718 yr I was talking about this the other day with some product specialists about how crazed we have become over HP and gears in our cars. Back in the 80s, family cars had under 100 horsepower and came with 3 speed autos...... today we are looking at 8 gears and 600 hp in production cars.... how fast do people really need to go 100 feet in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic? party pooper. keep your foot off the throttle if it bugs ya.
August 16, 200718 yr Old news as I posted the other day that some of the staff is already being trained to dyno test these at Lordstown. He said times for 0-60 would be in the mid to upper 5 sec range. As for HP I expect power to level off soon but with the reach for better MPG I expect to see less weight in cars. Add that lower weight to the present power we have the best of both worlds. Also with less weight it would improve braking and handling Edited August 16, 200718 yr by hyperv6
August 19, 200718 yr What about the torque-steer? It should be AWDGo test a Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS, Grand Prix GXP, or Cobalt SS/SC and tell me how much torque steer you feel.
August 19, 200718 yr A former co-worker of mine recently had the GMPP Stage II kit put on his SS/SC. He's like 54 years old, and still a boy. He's my hero!
August 19, 200718 yr A former co-worker of mine recently had the GMPP Stage II kit put on his SS/SC. He's like 54 years old, and still a boy. He's my hero! yep that will be me as well. I'll always have a fast car
August 19, 200718 yr Go test a Monte Carlo SS, Impala SS, Grand Prix GXP, or Cobalt SS/SC and tell me how much torque steer you feel. Uhhh.... let me think: PLENTY. My STS used to jump lanes at WOT. FWD is evil.
September 12, 200718 yr A 260 hp Cobalt? I wonder if they will ressurect the "Get away with more" and "bump" commercials for the new SS.
November 2, 200718 yr Making wider availability of the 2.4-liter I-4 would be a very wise move-how much power is this turbocharged version and will this make an appearance on the Astra Red Line or a G5 GXP?I'll get shot for this, but will they ever offer the SS turbo with an auto trans? My wife cannot drive a stick , and we share cars, so....
November 2, 200718 yr I'll get shot for this, but will they ever offer the SS turbo with an auto trans? My wife cannot drive a stick , and we share cars, so.... You're not alone. Plenty of people don't like manual shift. We only succumb to the Madison Avenue paradise of driving with wind in our hair, enjoying the mountain twisties with a babe at our sides...the reality of stop and go traffic with a manual shift is a different experience that Madison Avenue doesn't want to show on their commercials.! I have 'heard' that since the 'new' engine will be available on more vehicles (HHR, etc.) that an automatic will be available.
November 3, 200718 yr You're not alone. Plenty of people don't like manual shift. We only succumb to the Madison Avenue paradise of driving with wind in our hair, enjoying the mountain twisties with a babe at our sides...the reality of stop and go traffic with a manual shift is a different experience that Madison Avenue doesn't want to show on their commercials.! I have 'heard' that since the 'new' engine will be available on more vehicles (HHR, etc.) that an automatic will be available. yes the HHR-SS was announced weeks ago w/ an auto trans option. It could easily go into the Cobalt. But will they do it? I really think so---maybe only the 4 door--I can't see GM certifying this engine/trans combo for just one model.
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