So just to review, GM has annouced there will be 6 new production cars and 1 never before seen concept. Here is what's confirmed.

Production cars

1: H2 MCE

2: H3 Alpha

3: Lacrosse Super

4: Lucerne Super

5: STS MCE

6: ...

Concept

7: ...probably the Hummer H4 concept

Update: Or no, probably not a Hummer. Seems it will be a Chevy now.

As for #6, the most likely car seems to be the regular LaCrosse MCE or the Saab 9-3 MCE.

The Cobalt MCE or the HHR SS are possible also...however there now seems to be a chance Chevy won't have an NYC debut at all. Can't confirm that one way or the other yet.

**MCE = Mid-cycle Enhancement. AKA: Facelift or refresh.**

H4 sounds sweet, the other stuff? Meh...

H4 makes sense, but I think it's something else.

I think #6 is the Aura Redline

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by jbartley

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does MCE stand for?

Mid-cycle enhancement.

Sorry for my ignorance, but what does MCE stand for?

I'll double that.

mid-cycle enhancement. We just call them updates.

EDIT: Oops. Northstar beat me to the punch.... well, you get the idea.

The H4 is a good bet since there were rumors that GM was going to show it during either the Detroit or Chicago shows but for some reason, didn't. Most likely, it wouldn't have helped GM show off its new eco-friendly image with the new Volt at NAIAS or it would've taken the emphasis off of the growing Saturn brand at Chicago. Those are, of course, rumors and pure speculation.

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by Cadillacfan

So five out of seven will be V8s? And three will be Hummers?

one will probably be the 2008 Cobalt, its getting a new nose and upgraded interior for the 08 model. and the SS model will start using the same engine as the Solstice GXP,

Not too much to get excited about....thought there's be a chance that they'd be more aggressive with concepts and/or intros in a market they're getting crushed in....

I'd hate to respond again so soon, but isn't the Cobalt MCE out of the question now? Has GM changed its mind so close to the redesign of Chevy's future global compact sedan?

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by Cadillacfan

Hope a new Cobalt is shown, I mean and MCE.

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by gm4life

The only interesting thing here is the concept car IMO.

H2 and H3 Alpha

oOooo. pics of the H2 and H3 Alpha are up.

hot hot hot

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by jbartley

H2 and H3 Alpha

oOooo. pics of the H2 and H3 Alpha are up.

hot hot hot

'bout time the H3 got a V8

EDIT: and I wonder what will happen to the H2's mileage with the 6.2.

Edited March 26, 200718 yr by scharmer05

Better than I expected, the H2 interior. I wonder what MPG the H3 Alpha will get.

Oh well here we go again...

Not sure why it's so hard to follow embargo dates.

Oh well here we go again...

Not sure why it's so hard to follow embargo dates.

Harder than Reg at a Maxim photo shoot.

'bout time the H3 got a V8

EDIT: and I wonder what will happen to the H2's mileage with the 6.2.

Very likely better, just as people with 6.2L/6-spd Denalis and Escalades are consistently and/or more frequently and easily getting better MPG numbers than people with either 2wd or 4wd 5.3L/4-spd and 6.0L/4-spd other GMT-900's. SO, I think, a great move. It seems like they're best truck powertrain combo right now, and the H2 certainly will benefit from it.

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by caddycruiser

Well, the difference with the H2 and the GMT900 trucks that offer the 6.2 litre is that they don't have full-time 4wd, which significantly reduces fuel economy no matter what. I wouldn't expect a huge increase.

Well, the difference with the H2 and the GMT900 trucks that offer the 6.2 litre is that they don't have full-time 4wd, which significantly reduces fuel economy no matter what. I wouldn't expect a huge increase.

Me either, because it is still a big, blocky, and heavy pig with bad aerodynamics, but as is, with the extra power and updates of the 6.2L plus the 6-spd that helps it better use every bit of that power, there should still be a small increase. And with an H2, anything is better than nothing.

As for the H3, I've always wondered what it could do with a 5.3L, as previously and even now it's still a case of revving the 5-cyl's guts out, which doesn't help any mpg matter, so we'll see what the DOD 5.3L does. It's still not that astounding with mileage in a lot of the GMT-900's so far, but maybe with a different trans and the different vehicle dynamics, it will be here, at least again marginally like the H2. If not, power will at least get a strong boost.

What exactly is the difference between full time 4WD in the H2 and AWD in Escalade and Denali?

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by scharmer05

Full time means you can't turn it off. Which was a mistake on GM's part considering how heavy the vehicle is. The 4WD on the GM900 vehicles can be turned off so you're not using up more gas then you need to.

Full time means you can't turn it off. Which was a mistake on GM's part considering how heavy the vehicle is. The 4WD on the GM900 vehicles can be turned off so you're not using up more gas then you need to.

Not on the Denali and the Escalade I don't think.

What exactly is the difference between full time 4WD in the H2 and AWD in Escalade and Denali?

The full-time AWD systems in the Escalade and Denali lack a low range and locking differentials, and they're "fully automatic" in that there are no levers to pull or buttons to push. Power automatically goes to the wheel with the least traction, unless Stabilitrak brakes the slipping wheel, which in theory should redistribute power, albeit jerkily.

The 4WD system in the H2 can be manually switched into high/low-ranges with or without locking diffs.

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by empowah

Harder than Reg at a Maxim photo shoot.

LOL. Can you arrange that for me? If not, how bout a dozen femme coworkers and 12 boxes of white zin?

is anyone else REALLY tired of the same steering wheel and climate controls across the ENTIRE GM LINEUP?

DO THEY REALLY SAVE THAT MUCH FRICKIN UNION MONEY BY USING THOSE PARTS IN EVERY GDDAMN CAR?

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by regfootball

The full-time AWD systems in the Escalade and Denali lack a low range and locking differentials, and they're "fully automatic" in that there are no levers to pull or buttons to push. Power automatically goes to the wheel with the most traction, unless Stabilitrak brakes the slipping wheel, which in theory should redistribute power, albeit jerkily.

fixed

fixed

Without a limited slip or locking diff (open diff), power naturally goes to the wheel that spins easiest.

Edit: Nevermind... the Escalade/Yukon Denali have a viscous center differential.

Edit #2: Actually, it doesn't. The previous Escalades had it, but not the GMT900s.

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by empowah

As for the H3, I've always wondered what it could do with a 5.3L, as previously and even now it's still a case of revving the 5-cyl's guts out, which doesn't help any mpg matter, so we'll see what the DOD 5.3L does. It's still not that astounding with mileage in a lot of the GMT-900's so far, but maybe with a different trans and the different vehicle dynamics, it will be here, at least again marginally like the H2. If not, power will at least get a strong boost.

There's a few articles out now that seem to say that DOD is a DUD. Truck Trend has the 5.3 DOD returning less than the city rating and the 381hp Tundra returning 1mpg better - not good.

With the Hummer's aerodynamics, I wonder if DOD will ever kick in.

is anyone else REALLY tired of the same steering wheel and climate controls across the ENTIRE GM LINEUP?

DO THEY REALLY SAVE THAT MUCH FRICKIN UNION MONEY BY USING THOSE PARTS IN EVERY GDDAMN CAR?

Soooooo true

I'd like to see the H2 get DOD, if for nothing else than PR.

I can't wait to hear the media slaughterfest over the H2 and over GM's WEAK showing at NY in general...

And BTW, why the hell is the HHR SS taking so long? Are they waiting because of strategy or because of engineering issues?

And BTW, why the hell is the HHR SS taking so long? Are they waiting because of strategy or because of engineering issues?

You know, I completely forgot about that car.

You know, I completely forgot about that car.

I'm sure it won't be SS, just HHR Sport.

Oh well here we go again...

Not sure why it's so hard to follow embargo dates.

Harder than Reg at a Maxim photo shoot.

:rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:

Hummer World: Facelift

You might have to type "facelift" as the password to open the page.

Is the H3 Alpha Male going to have a 5-speed. I have seen a lot of 5 speed H3 on the road.

Hummer World: Facelift

You might have to type "facelift" as the password to open the page.

From the link above, the 5.3L V8 in the H3 Alpha puts out 295 HP (which we knew) and 317 lb-ft torque (which I didn't see mentioned anywhere else).

-RBB

Edited March 27, 200718 yr by RBB

so that's 4 of 6.

when might we see the 2008 STS? and #6 (please be Aura redline!)?

Well this just in, it now seems the concept will be a Chevy....

Well this just in, it now seems the concept will be a Chevy....

maybe i was right about the impala?

or is it going to be more along the lines of "here's all of the gas guzzlers... and a new compact pickup!"

or would a silverado ss with a giant v8 be more fitting with theme?

maybe they'll finally announce the 6-speed for the avalanche

maybe i was right about the impala?

or is it going to be more along the lines of "here's all of the gas guzzlers... and a new compact pickup!"

Nah..I think it was Ed Welburn who went on record saying the Impala concept would be at NAIAS 2008.

or would a silverado ss with a giant v8 be more fitting with theme?

maybe they'll finally announce the 6-speed for the avalanche

Doubt they would do the 427 concept truck from SEMA and then a seperate Silvy SS concept.

Heh, dont think they would do a concept for the Avy getting a 6 speed.

AVEO SS INTIMIDATOR!

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AVEO SS INTIMIDATOR!

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If GM doesn't bring this to us with at least the 2.2L or the 5.3L V8, I have lost all respect for them

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When will we see the Malibu hybrid?

I'm still waiting on the Suburban Z06 or Suburban Blue Devil..

I'm still waiting on the Suburban Z06 or Suburban Blue Devil..

That's just a rumor based on a spy photo taken of a Corvette Blue Devil Mule. It was just a powertrain mule using a suburban chasis...

Nah..I think it was Ed Welburn who went on record saying the Impala concept would be at NAIAS 2008.

Doubt they would do the 427 concept truck from SEMA and then a seperate Silvy SS concept.

Heh, dont think they would do a concept for the Avy getting a 6 speed.

Edmunds had an article on a Chevy lamda possibly being called Nomad...could that be the concept? link

Edmunds had an article on a Chevy lamda possibly being called Nomad...could that be the concept? link

It's possible it could be a concept for that vehicle. Seems unlikely they'd put the Nomad badge on there for production though.