August 9, 200718 yr Buick ties Lexus for No. 1 in car reliabilitySurvey finds Detroit brands making headway against Japanese competitorsAugust 9 2007: 9:57 AM EDT | Link to Original Article @ CNNMoney NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- For the first time in 12 years, Toyota's Lexus luxury brand has to share its top rank in J.D. Power and Associates' annual Vehicle Dependability Study.And it has to share it with an American car.General Motors' Buick brand tied Lexus in the study, which measures the number of problems owners experience with their cars after three years of ownership.Following Lexus and Buick in the rankings were GM's Cadillac luxury brand, Ford's Mercury brand and Honda's Honda brand.Toyota's mass-market Toyota brand ranked sixth."Consumers don't necessarily need to pay premium prices to obtain high quality and dependability," said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis for J.D. Power and Associates."With three non-premium nameplates - Buick, Honda and Mercury - ranking within the top five," he said, "and particularly with Buick tying with Lexus for the top rank, consumers seeking a vehicle with strong dependability have good choices at various price levels."J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 53,000 original owners of 2004 model year vehicles.Owners of the top-ranked Lexus and Buick vehicles experienced 145 problems per 100 vehicles. Owners of second-ranked Cadillac vehicles experienced 162 problems per 100 vehicles.The lowest-ranking brand was Land Rover, Ford's European luxury SUV brand. Land Rover owners experienced 398 problems per 100 vehicles, according to the survey.J.D. Power and Associates also ranked specific vehicles within their respective categories. The top-ranked sub-compact car, for example, was the Scion xA from Toyota's youth-oriented Scion brand.The top-ranked compact car was the Honda Civic and the top-ranked Sporty car was the Mazda Miata.The Chevrolet SSR, a low-slung convertible pickup, and the Ford Mustang tied as the most dependable midsize sporty cars, and the Ford Crown Victoria ranked as the most dependable large car.Lexus vehicles topped five categories, more than any other brand. Lexus had the top-ranked premium SUV, large premium SUV, premium sporty car, large premium car and midsize premium car. Toyota's Toyota brand topped four categories. ----------------- Gotta love it!http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/08/autos/jdpa...dex.htm?cnn=yes
August 9, 200718 yr Very good news indeed. Thank you Maxximus. These parts of the article I liked are highlighted in bold: Buick ties Lexus for No. 1 in car reliability Survey finds Detroit brands making headway against Japanese competitors. August 9 2007: 3:56 AM EDT NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- For the first time in 12 years, Toyota's Lexus luxury brand has to share its top rank in J.D. Power and Associates' annual Vehicle Dependability Study. And it has to share it with an American car. General Motors' Buick brand tied Lexus in the study, which measures the number of problems owners experience with their cars after three years of ownership. Following Lexus and Buick in the rankings were GM's Cadillac luxury brand, Ford's Mercury brand and Honda's Honda brand. Toyota's mass-market Toyota brand ranked sixth. "Consumers don't neccessarily need to pay premium prices to obtain high quality and dependability," said Neal Oddes, director of product research and analysis for J.D. Power and Associates. "With three non-premium nameplates - Buick, Honda and Mercury - ranking within the top five," he said, "and particularly with Buick tying with Lexus for the top rank, consumers seeking a vehicle with strong dependability have good choices at various price levels." J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study is based on responses from more than 53,000 original owners of 2004 model year vehicles. Owners of the top-ranked Lexus and Buick vehicles experienced 145 problems per 100 vehicles. Owners of second-ranked Cadillac vehicles experienced 162 problems per 100 vehicles. The lowest-ranking brand was Land Rover, Ford's European luxury SUV brand. Land Rover owners experienced 398 problems per 100 vehicles, according to the survey. J.D. Power and Associates also ranked specific vehicles within their respective categories. The top-ranked sub-compact car, for example, was the Scion xA from Toyota's youth-oriented Scion brand. The top-ranked compact car was the Honda Civic and the top-ranked "Sporty car" was the Mazda Miata. The Chevrolet SSR, a low-slung convertible pickup, and the Ford Mustang tied as the most depenible midsize sporty cars, and the Ford Crown Victoria ranked as the most dependable large car. Lexus vehicles topped five categories, more than any other brand. Lexus had the top-ranked premium SUV, large premium SUV, premium sporty car, large premium car and midsize premium car. Toyota's Toyota brand topped four categories. 2007 Nameplate Ranking Problems per 100 Vehicles Buick 145 Lexus 145 Cadillac 162 Mercury 168 Honda 169 Toyota 178 BMW 182 Lincoln 182 Subaru 192 Oldsmobile 196 Jaguar 197 Acura 207 Mercedes-Benz 212 Infiniti 215 Industry Average 216 Jeep 219 Pontiac 220 Scion 220 Ford 221 GMC 222 Chevrolet 226 Hyundai 228 Mitsubishi 228 Volvo 230 Audi 234 Dodge 236 HUMMER 242 MINI 247 Chrysler 249 Porsche 252 Nissan 274 Saturn 274 Kia 288 Mazda 289 Volkswagen 298 Saab 319 Isuzu 322 Suzuki 324 Land Rover 398 Top Three Models per Segment Car Segments Sub-Compact Car Highest Ranked: Scion xA Hyundai Accent Chevrolet Aveo Compact Car Highest Ranked: Honda Civic Toyota Prius Toyota Corolla Compact Sporty Car Highest Ranked: Mazda Miata Mitsubishi Lancer/Lancer Sportback Toyota Celica Midsize Sporty Car Highest Ranked: Chevrolet SSR (tie) Ford Mustang (tie) Toyota Solara Midsize Car Highest Ranked: Buick Century Buick Regal Mercury Sable Large Car Highest Ranked: Ford Crown Victoria Mercury Grand Marquis Buick Park Avenue Compact Premium Sporty Car Highest Ranked: Honda S2000 BMW Z4 Mercedes-Benz SLK-Class Entry Premium Car Highest Ranked: Infiniti I35 Cadillac CTS Lexus IS 300/IS 300 SportCross Midsize Premium Car Highest Ranked: Lexus GS 300/GS 430 Acura RL Lexus ES 330 Large Premium Car Highest Ranked: Lexus LS 430 Lincoln Town Car Cadillac DeVille Premium Sporty Car Highest Ranked: Lexus SC 430 Ford Thunderbird Chevrolet Corvette NOTE: Models with multiple trim levels are combined for ranking purposes. Top Three Models per Segment Truck / Multi-Activity Vehicle (MAV) Segments Compact MAV Highest Ranked: Toyota RAV4 Honda CR-V Honda Element Midsize MAV Highest Ranked: Oldsmobile Bravada Buick Rainier Toyota 4Runner Large MAV Highest Ranked: Toyota Sequoia GMC Yukon Chevrolet Suburban Large Pickup Highest Ranked: Toyota Tundra Ford F-150 Heritage/F-150 Lightning Ford F-150 LD Midsize Pickup Highest Ranked: Toyota Tacoma Ford Ranger Mazda B-Series Van Highest Ranked: Oldsmobile Silhouette Mercury Monterey Honda Odyssey Midsize Premium MAV Highest Ranked: Lexus GX 470 Lexus RX 300 Infiniti FX-Series Large Premium MAV Highest Ranked: Lexus LX 470 Toyota Land Cruiser Cadillac Escalade EXT NOTE: Models with multiple trim levels are combined for ranking purposes. Edited August 9, 200718 yr by NINETY EIGHT REGENCY
August 9, 200718 yr That Crown Victoria may be outdated and have a funny looking new grille for 2008, but it is dependable.
August 9, 200718 yr GM needs to put this in ads, pronto. What, the top ranked vehicles are cars that GM canceled already?
August 9, 200718 yr This is a good news! And the import humpers say that the $h!SAN has good quality. Man it is lingering at the bottom. Saab is a bummer when it comes to quality, and the 2004 Saturines were not good either. I think 2004 was a time when GM had some real dogs as their products before their transformation began. Too bad, people will not know till 2009 how bad Toys were last year.
August 9, 200718 yr Hmm... Buick is ahead of Cadillac... interesting. If memory serves me, Buick usually is. This is excellent news, but one line urks me: "With three non-premium nameplates - Buick, Honda and Mercury - ranking within the top five," he said, "and particularly with Buick tying with Lexus for the top rank, consumers seeking a vehicle with strong dependability have good choices at various price levels." It explicitly removes any market association between Lexus and Buick, despite Lucerne CXS/Super compares to the ES350 and the Enclave compares to the RX350. Buick's warranty is also just as competitive. GM needs to work harder at pushing Buick as a premium brand, and not a competitor to Honda. (Yes I've kept up on the 4-sp/3800 argument in the other topics... true enough, but Buick's product offerings cover higher ground than non-premium competitors. Buick will have only premium offerings within 3 years. Hopefully the press will be able to distinguish Buick's return as a real premium brand.)
August 9, 200718 yr If memory serves me, Buick usually is. This is excellent news, but one line urks me: It explicitly removes any market association between Lexus and Buick, despite Lucerne CXS/Super compares to the ES350 and the Enclave compares to the RX350. Buick's warranty is also just as competitive. GM needs to work harder at pushing Buick as a premium brand, and not a competitor to Honda. (Yes I've kept up on the 4-sp/3800 argument in the other topics... true enough, but Buick's product offerings cover higher ground than non-premium competitors. Buick will have only premium offerings within 3 years. Hopefully the press will be able to distinguish Buick's return as a real premium brand.) Yeah....it is interesting the article referred to Buick as a "non-premium" brand. But right now, that's what it is.....with the exception of Enclave. However, the reliability ratings don't surprise me. GM is building totally reliable products now. (If there's an area where they still fall behind the competition, it's not "reliability"....it's perceived quality, fit-and-finish, and material choices.) I've just turned 20K in the CTS and it's been flawless with two exceptions.......1) key fob that works intermittently and 2) nasty creak/groan somewhere up in the I.P near where it connects with the A-pillar. Both are irritating.....and dealer won't replace my key fob because it "magically" works everytime I'm in for service....and, naturally, I live with the creak/groan every day.....except when I'm in for service.....(I can't believe how true Murphy's Law is....) Other than that, the car is mechanically flawless. My only one gripe is poor fuel economy. Over 20K miles, I've averaged between 17-19mpg....with significant freeway miles. I don't drive that aggressively either....and cruise is set every day at 70mph on the way to work. It's really disappointing....but I've convinced myself that the gearing in the 6-speed manual must be significantly different that it gets worse gas mileage than the (probably) economy-tuned 5-speed auto. Still love the car though! Still would be tough for me to trade up to an '08.....
August 10, 200718 yr JD Power should go back to the 4 year study, rather than the 3 year they do now. 3 years isn't that long term. Or perhaps do a 3 year and a 6 year, since those that lease ususally do 3 years, but people that buy keep a car 5-6 years usually. Good to see Cadillac in their perennial top 5 position, Cadillac needs to advertise that, and advertise the SRX's success in magazine reviews more. GM only advertises brand new product, or the Impala and Silverado due to volume, and they rarely push the good stuff. Chevy dropped, they were above average last year I think, that should be a concern for GM, because Chevy will get compared with Honda and Toyota. I don't think where Buick finishes on this list affects it sales that much.
August 10, 200718 yr I think the sign of well built car is one that still runs well and functions close to new when it has over 100k miles on it. A great car will run over 200k miles I think, Cadillacs are built to last like that, they run forever. Lexus is similar. I am not convinced yet that Buick and Mercury are that level, even though they perform well for the first 3 years.
August 10, 200718 yr JD Power should go back to the 4 year study, rather than the 3 year they do now. 3 years isn't that long term. Or perhaps do a 3 year and a 6 year, since those that lease ususally do 3 years, but people that buy keep a car 5-6 years usually. Good to see Cadillac in their perennial top 5 position, Cadillac needs to advertise that, and advertise the SRX's success in magazine reviews more. GM only advertises brand new product, or the Impala and Silverado due to volume, and they rarely push the good stuff. Chevy dropped, they were above average last year I think, that should be a concern for GM, because Chevy will get compared with Honda and Toyota. I don't think where Buick finishes on this list affects it sales that much. I think the sign of well built car is one that still runs well and functions close to new when it has over 100k miles on it. A great car will run over 200k miles I think, Cadillacs are built to last like that, they run forever. Lexus is similar. I am not convinced yet that Buick and Mercury are that level, even though they perform well for the first 3 years. Sorry to hear that you are apparently disappointed in Buick's positioning, but this isn't anything new. Buick has been in the top percentages for years. My Mother holds on to her Buicks longer than I do and she does not experience an abrupt increase in problems compared to my personal experience. And if you think these type of headlines go unnoticed, you're wrong. Three people in my office made a point to mention they saw and read about this today. As for JD Power's VDS study - JD Power changed the study for several valid reasons. - They're studying new cars. By the time a vehicle turns 6 years old or hits 100,000 miles the vehicle is no longer manufactured and is half a generation into its replacement. That particular vehicle's reliability holds little relevance to those buying new or even certified pre-owned. - They only survey original owners. That pool of buyers becomes pretty shallow at 4 or even 6 years into a car's life. - So many unpredictable variables impact a car throughout its life that have nothing to do the manufacturer of the vehicle. Buyers tend to take their cars religiously to the dealer for service, maintenance, and repairs while the vehicle is under warranty but that percentage degrades considerably after 3 years when most warranties have expired. You can not hold the manufacturer accountable when majority of the vehicles are not being maintained according to manufacturer recommendation. - Once again, most of the used car market is made up of 3-6 year old vehicles which that market is not the core purpose of this study. Anyone purchasing a pre-owned car must take into account all possible circumstances despite which manufacturer it came from. Some of the worst built vehicles could be immaculately maintained and last for decades while the best built vehicle would last only a few years without proper care or maintenance.
August 10, 200718 yr >Midsize Car Highest Ranked: Buick Century Buick Regal< Smart move changing names, GM. Now you have no cars that match up. Wagoner is an idiot. Notice the park Avenue is there also.
August 10, 200718 yr It doesn't seem right that Buick and Mercury are ahead of Cadillac and Lincoln...
August 10, 200718 yr Land Rover is last.... again. holy crap, i'd never buy one of those things after talkin to one of the spine surgeons at the hospital i work at. its 2 yrs old and its in and out of the shop once a month, why he doesnt just sell it i have no clue... not like he is strapped for cash.
August 10, 200718 yr Good news for Buick. Common thread among most of the highest ranked vehicles were that they were near the end of their builds, when most of the quality bugs should have been worked out.
August 10, 200718 yr Take note; the GM divisions that did not rank well have the cars that we all know are not known for decent quality in 2004. Example; Chevrolet had, Cavalier, Blazer & the Astro (though lasts for many miles, tended to have a fair amount of little problems). In 2 years you will see the vehicles that have caused GM headaches in those reports no longer included. Congrats GM. Keep up the good work.
August 10, 200718 yr If memory serves me, Buick usually is. This is excellent news, but one line urks me: It explicitly removes any market association between Lexus and Buick, despite Lucerne CXS/Super compares to the ES350 and the Enclave compares to the RX350. Buick's warranty is also just as competitive. GM needs to work harder at pushing Buick as a premium brand, and not a competitor to Honda. (Yes I've kept up on the 4-sp/3800 argument in the other topics... true enough, but Buick's product offerings cover higher ground than non-premium competitors. Buick will have only premium offerings within 3 years. Hopefully the press will be able to distinguish Buick's return as a real premium brand.) If the Lucerne was the same size as the ES350, and the Enclave the same size as the RX350, that would be a valid argument. However they are in fact much miuch bigger. The Lucerne needs to be in the same class as the LS460 to be considered a "premium" sedan on par with Lexus, and the Enclave at least as expensive as similarly-sized Audi Q7. Even the LaCrosse is a bit on the large size to be compared directly to the ES350.
August 10, 200718 yr Good news for Buick. Common thread among most of the highest ranked vehicles were that they were near the end of their builds, when most of the quality bugs should have been worked out. I checked out JD Power's archives of this survey going back to 2001 (1998 M/Y Cars) and the Century was still on top, Regal runner up (for every single one). LeSabre and/or Park Avenue shared top spot for Full Size for a good chunk of that too.
August 10, 200718 yr Chevy dropped, they were above average last year I think, that should be a concern for GM, because Chevy will get compared with Honda and Toyota. I don't think where Buick finishes on this list affects it sales that much.Chevy didn't actually drop, it's just that others shot past them. They improved by 15 defects per 100 vehicles.Interesting to note that Lexus went down, as did Acura by a lot. Mercury also dropped some. Improvements in number of problems by brand Buick -8 Lexus +9 Cadillac -1 Mercury +17 Honda -24 Toyota -1 BMW -30 Lincoln -38 Subaru -40 Oldsmobile -28 Jaguar -13 Acura +23 Mercedes-Benz -28 Infiniti 0 Jeep -45 Pontiac -12 Scion -- Ford -3 GMC -17 Chevrolet -15 2007 vs. 2006 Edited August 10, 200718 yr by mustang84
August 10, 200718 yr It isn't surprising to see Lexus, Buick, Cadillac, Toyota, Acura, and Honda up there... what is surprising is Jaguar, Mercedes, and Mercury, especially since Ford is below industry average. What's so special about those Mountaineers..
August 10, 200718 yr Common thread among most of the highest ranked vehicles were that they were near the end of their builds, when most of the quality bugs should have been worked out.True.And, in response to Ven's comment above, Cadillac has more things to go wrong, considering the number of simpler LaCrosses and Lucernes that help kick Buick up a little bit. I am sure that a lot of the problems are in the more esoteric accessories. Incidentally, back to my prolonged W body acquisition, I showed the THREE to my Mom and she liked the LaCrosse the best. She said it was more timeless. Also, as I drove down the length of Oregon yesterday into NorCal, I was paralleling a Park Avenue (of vintage similar to that of Ven's) but in the pearl white extra cost paint. I was relieved to see a "zipper head" type lady (Cher look alike, kind of earthy), driving this car, with 2 kids in the back and no bumper stickers. She would have looked quite at home in a Subaru, yet she was piloting a P.A., and this put a smile on my face. The earthy crunchy liberals are so fixated that a foreign nameplate MUST be better, thereby adding to their packaged approach to life. I think that, even if you rammed these studies in their faces, they would still keep buying those brands appropriate to their image.
August 10, 200718 yr If the Lucerne was the same size as the ES350, and the Enclave the same size as the RX350, that would be a valid argument. However they are in fact much miuch bigger. The Lucerne needs to be in the same class as the LS460 to be considered a "premium" sedan on par with Lexus, and the Enclave at least as expensive as similarly-sized Audi Q7. Even the LaCrosse is a bit on the large size to be compared directly to the ES350. Buicks are just big, the cars are based on platforms that are 12-18 years old so they are the same size as the cars that were built 12-18 years ago. While most other American cars downsized, and the Accrod-Camry grew and they all met in the middle. ES350 is 191 inches long (Lexus GS is actually smaller), LS460 is 198 inches long LaCrosse is 198 inches long, Lucerne is 204 inches long
August 10, 200718 yr I was thinking of the initial quality study I think when I said Chevy was above average. I see they were below average last year in dependability but slowing improving. I hope they can get above average in the long term test. They are the #1 American brand, if they look good, it helps American cars in general.
August 10, 200718 yr It isn't surprising to see Lexus, Buick, Cadillac, Toyota, Acura, and Honda up there... what is surprising is Jaguar, Mercedes, and Mercury, especially since Ford is below industry average. What's so special about those Mountaineers..A lot of it is probably due to Ford trucks with the 6.0L Powerstroke. It's also probably why both Chevrolet and Ford are lower...they have many more truck sales than brands like Mercury or Buick, and trucks tend to take more of a beating so they suffer more problems.Likewise, the more Tundras Toyota sells, the farther I expect to see it drop down the list. Edited August 10, 200718 yr by mustang84
August 10, 200718 yr As for the person who commented about the deck being stacked with olde people... I saw a study that showed that old and young people typically repair their cars less. Makes sense. That is one reason why some of these "old person" brands (Buick, Oldsmobile, Cadillac, Lexus) do so well on this study. It might also explain why BMW and Mercedes do so well even though they are not really reliable vehicles. Finally, it might also explain why the Oldsmobile Silhouette made number 1 (19/20) but the near identical Venture (15/20) and Montana (14/20) didn't manage to make 2 or 3. Still, it is strange that the Silhouette was some 35% "more dependable" than the Montana. In fact, the Montana was one of the worst. Anybody have a link to JD Power's methodology for this study? Is it as bogus as the IQS? Edited August 10, 200718 yr by GXT
August 11, 200718 yr I love it when people desperately clamor to find the "loophole" that Buick slipped through because it couldn't possibly be as reliable as the beloved untouchable Toyota Brand... But Toyota/Lexus should get used to this, they're about to be the #1 company and they have to shell out more vehicles than the rest, and with that, naturally, comes more problems in a vehicle. There is an ebb and flow to the automotive industry and when you're the biggest brand you're going to get the most heat and produce the most cars which will naturally turn people away to those brands that can pay more attention to what they're creating instead of firing out car after car like Toyota is really starting to do. If theres a loophole it's how die-hard in love Toyota consumers are about their vehicles being the best and most reliable strictly because they're the stereotypical Asian marketing brand which can build no wrong. People buy Toyotas (and Lexi) because they're generally dead set on the car being as good as gold, bulletproof, and will never ever break down... but that image is starting to dissipate now that it's becoming Americas bulk company.
August 11, 200718 yr As for the person who commented about the deck being stacked with olde people... I saw a study that showed that old and young people typically repair their cars less. Makes sense. That is one reason why some of these "old person" brands (Buick, Oldsmobile, Cadillac, Lexus) do so well on this study. It might also explain why BMW and Mercedes do so well even though they are not really reliable vehicles. Finally, it might also explain why the Oldsmobile Silhouette made number 1 (19/20) but the near identical Venture (15/20) and Montana (14/20) didn't manage to make 2 or 3. Still, it is strange that the Silhouette was some 35% "more dependable" than the Montana. In fact, the Montana was one of the worst. Anybody have a link to JD Power's methodology for this study? Is it as bogus as the IQS? There IS a difference between the vans. Different brands tend to get slightly different quality in the parts.Back when the J-Bodies were built in Lordstown, the Sunfires tend to get better materials than the Cavaliers.
August 12, 200718 yr Congrats to Buick on this one! As much as the brand confuses me, its good to see them do well. Lets hope GM seizes on it and heavily promotes this.
August 12, 200718 yr There IS a difference between the vans. Different brands tend to get slightly different quality in the parts. Back when the J-Bodies were built in Lordstown, the Sunfires tend to get better materials than the Cavaliers. Total hogwash. Same plastic parts. They were completely interchangeable. You can take almost any part off a Cavalier and put it on a Sunfire and vice versa. The Silhouettes were not sold in a RWB version, nor were their any 'value vans' sold. Demographics, plain and simple. A family of 6 is going to trash their $23k Valu Van, whereas the wealthier couple who bought their Silhouette for $35k will treat it better. This is the same reason there are so many Impala SS's on the road from the 1960s, while all the Chevy wagons are all rusted and gone. Same metal, same parts, just treated differently by their owners.
August 12, 200718 yr Total hogwash. Same plastic parts. They were completely interchangeable. You can take almost any part off a Cavalier and put it on a Sunfire and vice versa. The Silhouettes were not sold in a RWB version, nor were their any 'value vans' sold. Demographics, plain and simple. A family of 6 is going to trash their $23k Valu Van, whereas the wealthier couple who bought their Silhouette for $35k will treat it better. This is the same reason there are so many Impala SS's on the road from the 1960s, while all the Chevy wagons are all rusted and gone. Same metal, same parts, just treated differently by their owners. Exactly. Chris
August 12, 200718 yr The Silhouettes were not sold in a RWB version, nor were their any 'value vans' sold. Demographics, plain and simple. A family of 6 is going to trash their $23k Valu Van, whereas the wealthier couple who bought their Silhouette for $35k will treat it better. This is the same reason there are so many Impala SS's on the road from the 1960s, while all the Chevy wagons are all rusted and gone. Same metal, same parts, just treated differently by their owners. Bingo... although it's well known Buick does receive a higher grade of materials (LaCrosse to Grand Prix; Park Avenue to Bonneville; Rainier to TrailBlazer)... Mature buyers (people who have owned multiple new cars) know how to better care for them than some 16 year old in a Scion or Pontiac. It's just reality.
August 13, 200718 yr >Midsize Car Highest Ranked: Buick Century Buick Regal< Smart move changing names, GM. Now you have no cars that match up. Wagoner is an idiot. Notice the park Avenue is there also. If he is, he obviously has company....
August 13, 200718 yr Congratulations, Buick and GM! You need to grasp this foothold and market the heck out of it! Now that proof exists that the vehicles possess initial quality, it is time for the company to retain that position while it repositions its future products for success in the near luxury market. I am also tired of people looking for the loopholes in the results of this study. GM is fighting for its survival; any good news should be celebrated and used to create motivation for GM to strive harder in the future. I just hope the future products really match the buying public's perceptions of near luxury vehicles.
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