August 18, 200718 yr I was checking the Holden website. The unveil of the new Holden Ute is August 23. You can sign up for updates via your email. Hopefully an official announcement for the El Camino will be coming during the auto show season? Camino, are you ready? I know I am! KC
August 18, 200718 yr I'm gonna take a while guess and say it'll look something like this: Pull that grill down alittle bit further and it would be pure sex. Right now it is about 90% sex. :AH-HA_wink:
August 18, 200718 yr Author I think Dodgefan may be right on the money, and 90% sex is better than no sex.
August 19, 200718 yr Question... And Holden fans don't get angry. What is the fascination? Do the sunrays in the Southern Hemisphere make you get wet over big, RWD car based pickups? I really don't understand.
August 19, 200718 yr Author If you have to ask, then you'll never understand. It's something in your blood man. But, to think about it. A car based truck gives you utility with bit better gas mileage than a full size truck due to the weight advantage, and also the handling is better than a tradition pickup truck. Another good thing, most are two seat and you can take the wife (or husband, or partner) with NO KIDS. There's a pleasure in that. Also, if you want a Crew, you can get one and have a practical truck with room for the family and a bed for utility. Its the best of both worlds.
August 19, 200718 yr Question... And Holden fans don't get angry. What is the fascination? Do the sunrays in the Southern Hemisphere make you get wet over big, RWD car based pickups? I really don't understand. What's not to like ? Utes are perfect for many uses, from a base model for tradies to a two door sports car with a tub out the back. They have a carrying capacity up to 1800 lbs and a towing capacity up to 3500 lbs ( and these are very conservative figures ), and a 6.0l v8 manual with IRS "SS" model that has everything an "SS" sedan has minus the back seats, whilst being lighter, faster and about 9-10k cheaper, and having better resale value. Then there are the HSV models with LS2's - awesome. These are the VE's that I am most interested in and it's been a long wait.
August 19, 200718 yr What's not to like ? Utes are perfect for many uses, from a base model for tradies to a two door sports car with a tub out the back. They have a carrying capacity up to 1800 lbs and a towing capacity up to 3500 lbs ( and these are very conservative figures ), and a 6.0l v8 manual with IRS "SS" model that has everything an "SS" sedan has minus the back seats, whilst being lighter, faster and about 9-10k cheaper, and having better resale value. Then there are the HSV models with LS2's - awesome. These are the VE's that I am most interested in and it's been a long wait.
August 21, 200718 yr Don't rain on this parade PCS, or Ill have to go all monster truck on that rental queen of yours with the Duramax.
August 21, 200718 yr Don't rain on this parade PCS, or Ill have to go all monster truck on that rental queen of yours with the Duramax. Not to worry Camino, now I can do nothing. That won't be true after October 1st though. :AH-HA_wink:
August 21, 200718 yr Can't wait to see what it will look like! Take a VE and cut the back off, it's a Ute. Take a VE put a Pontiac badge on it, it's a Pontiac. Take a VE put a Chevy bade on it, it's a Chevy. Take a VE put a Buick badge on it, it's a Buick. Take a VE put a Cadillac badge on it, it's a Cadillac. Edited August 21, 200718 yr by Pontiac Custom-S
August 21, 200718 yr Take a VE and cut the back off, it's a Ute. Take a VE put a Pontiac badge on it, it's a Pontiac. Take a VE put a Chevy bade on it, it's a Chevy. Take a VE put a Buick badge on it, it's a Buick. Take a VE put a Cadillac badge on it, it's a Cadillac. Take a VE, remove all badges, it's a great car!
August 21, 200718 yr Take a VE, remove all badges, it's a great car! We'll see how great it is when it can't meet CAFE standards or gas is 5 bucks a gallon! :AH-HA_wink:
August 21, 200718 yr When (IF!?) gas is $5 a gallon your FWD GP will do consuiderably better than a Zeta with AFM? C'mon dude, now you are starting to sound ignorant.
August 21, 200718 yr I just can't to see it and the HSV versions. The wagon should be great too. Just get yourselves down here and see them in person - they're sex! I love them because even with the hi-po models I can still throw stuff in the back and use it in a practical manner yet its a faster, cheaper coupe. And.. the ute is an Aussie invention, the ute culture here is massive!
August 21, 200718 yr I just can't to see it and the HSV versions. The wagon should be great too. Just get yourselves down here and see them in person - they're sex! I love them because even with the hi-po models I can still throw stuff in the back and use it in a practical manner yet its a faster, cheaper coupe. And.. the ute is an Aussie invention, the ute culture here is massive! I wish I could come see them in person.
August 21, 200718 yr And.. the ute is an Aussie invention, the ute culture here is massive! Massive? Your total population is 20,434,176, I wouldn't call that massive, the State of Florida alone has a population of 18,089,888.
August 21, 200718 yr Massive? Your total population is 20,434,176, I wouldn't call that massive, the State of Florida alone has a population of 18,089,888. Yeah Ricer Culture here in FL can be considered massive too. I think he is right in that context. Just that the ratio of proportions for massiveness is similar despite the numbers being 1/15th of what you are comparing to (two nation's populations). :AH-HA_wink:
August 21, 200718 yr Can we lock PCS out of andy and all Pontiac/Zeta/Holden threads? Not to worry 68, I will be moving to Switzerland soon anyway, so I won't be able to post as much, at least for a while, :AH-HA_wink: . After I'm there, I won't need to post about them much at all, as they will feel my sting directly and indirectly. So there won't be a need to rant, well at least not as much. I think they will wish I was still ranting, after all is said and done.
August 21, 200718 yr Author Hey now, don't be making light of the Australian culture. They have a rich culture that is not too dissimilar from our own. To them, the Ute culture is huge not in number, but popularity, just like the ricer culture is here, and the muscle car movement was back in the 1960s.
August 21, 200718 yr Not to worry 68, I will be moving to Switzerland soon anyway, so I won't be able to post as much, at least for a while, :AH-HA_wink: . After I'm there, I won't need to post about them much at all, as they will feel my sting directly and indirectly. So there won't be a need to rant, well at least not as much. I think they will wish I was still ranting, after all is said and done. Your stance on this makes absolutely no sense. You work for GM, and yet you want to tear down both Holden and Pontiac which you claim to be able to make happen or at least have influence over. You have never adequately said why nor offered any viable alternatives, and no, FWD Opels won't come close to cutting it. Please explain yourself, because I don't get it. Other than filling out the Saturn lineup I don't see much value in European GM models for our market. Holden models, on the other hand, make perfect sense. What's up with all of this hinting and threatening anyway, I can't see the good in it at all.
August 22, 200718 yr Hey now, don't be making light of the Australian culture. They have a rich culture that is not too dissimilar from our own. To them, the Ute culture is huge not in number, but popularity, just like the ricer culture is here, and the muscle car movement was back in the 1960s. You've hit the nail right on the head there KC, thanks mate!
August 22, 200718 yr Your stance on this makes absolutely no sense. You work for GM, and yet you want to tear down both Holden and Pontiac which you claim to be able to make happen or at least have influence over. You have never adequately said why nor offered any viable alternatives, and no, FWD Opels won't come close to cutting it. Please explain yourself, because I don't get it. Other than filling out the Saturn lineup I don't see much value in European GM models for our market. Holden models, on the other hand, make perfect sense. What's up with all of this hinting and threatening anyway, I can't see the good in it at all. Don't sweat him Camino, PCS suffers from fart breath a bit. Although he does make no sense at all sometimes.
August 22, 200718 yr Fart Breath! I love it! Thanks for the laugh. I needed it! Heh, no problem KC. I'm sure PCS' shoulders are broad enough to handle it - actually they had better be seeing that he comes from Barbarian stock! (obscure Medival: Total War PC game reference there for you).
August 22, 200718 yr Author Your stance on this makes absolutely no sense. You work for GM, and yet you want to tear down both Holden and Pontiac which you claim to be able to make happen or at least have influence over. You have never adequately said why nor offered any viable alternatives, and no, FWD Opels won't come close to cutting it. Please explain yourself, because I don't get it. Other than filling out the Saturn lineup I don't see much value in European GM models for our market. Holden models, on the other hand, make perfect sense. What's up with all of this hinting and threatening anyway, I can't see the good in it at all. I'm curious about this as well. If you are as in tuned to the auto U.S. auto industry as you represent, then lets hear it.
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