http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22559988?gt1=10755

ST. CHARLES, Mo. - What the ...? A St. Louis-area town is considering a bill that would ban swearing in bars, along with table-dancing, drinking contests and profane music.

City officials contend the bill is needed to keep rowdy crowds under control because the historic downtown area gets a little too lively on some nights

You have to be #%^$ing kidding me!

You have to be #%^$ing kidding me!

Camino, you are fined one credit.

Sounds like something you would hear about from the Bible Belt...

Err...doesn't this toss the 1st Amendment right out of the window?

I'm never going to a bar in Missouri if this gets passed, I guess. I can't imagine how staid and depressing those bars are going to become with all the fun sucked out of them.

I have a friend in St. Louis, too. I wonder what he makes of this...?

Err...doesn't this toss the 1st Amendment right out of the window?

Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

I've never been to St. Louis, but I hear the BBQ is pretty good..will have to go sometime.

How quaint! :rotflmao:

Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

...but it's not being established by the bars. It's being established by the town (aka government). It seems awfully fuzzy to me, though there are already laws for "lewd behavior" in public, so this is kind of stretching already existing laws. It sounds like the town is trying to give the police some easier ammo for dealing with rowdys, but way overdoing it.

Sounds like something you would hear about from the Bible Belt...

St. Louis can be pretty bible-belty though..

Well, 1st Amendment usually is applied to public situations, though... bars are private establishments and can set whatever standards they want, I would think..

I would think it's very anti 1st amendment. private establishment... like laws that ban smoking in these "private areas", they don't care that it's a private establishment.

St. Louis can be pretty bible-belty though..

st charles is on the west side of st louis.... on I-70 um.. st louis, being a large metro area, isn't known for being conservative. i'm ~1 1/2 south of st louis.

St. Charles is a St. Louis suburb that's pretty uppity. This doesn't really surprise me.

um.. st louis, being a large metro area, isn't known for being conservative.

That's not really the feeling I got when I lived there.

Hmmmm, that stomps on the foot of the first amendment.

I don't care about the swearing, but I swear as God as my judge, I will not give up table dancing.

"you can't legislate morality" (or something very close to that) - RP

The table dancing and drinking contest bans may stick, the "lewd music" part can be justified by existing "disturbing the peace" type laws, not sure how they plan to outlaw profane language without a fat lawsuit.

I don't quite get this one either, but I can't see it being much different than a place enforcing a certain dress code.

I don't quite get this one either, but I can't see it being much different than a place enforcing a certain dress code.

...but dress codes are usually created & implemented by a business, not the city gov't (aside from "indecency" stuff).

...but dress codes are usually created & implemented by a business, not the city gov't (aside from "indecency" stuff).

Yes, that's the key difference with this issue..it's not rules imposed by the bars themselves but by the local government, which makes it a sticky situation..

Get used to it folks...

Each year more freedom is taken away.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind some restrictions on VERY lude activity in bars. Of course, around here it's gotten so bad that people are openly doing cocaine on the tables in some places. (This happened the last time I was out in my home town)

Profanity is one thing... Open use of cocaine is another I guess.

Get used to it folks...

Each year more freedom is taken away.

I don't want that... when will "the powers" understand that's what their doing, and it's not providing us more security.

I don't want that... when will "the powers" understand that's what their doing, and it's not providing us more security.

When we point it out to them in a way that hurts.

Well, as more and more stupid people keep doing stupid stuff, it will only get worse.....

Please allow us to scan your Biometrics chip please, und you vill enjoy it! :AH-HA_wink:

Get used to it folks...

Each year more freedom is taken away.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind some restrictions on VERY lude activity in bars. Of course, around here it's gotten so bad that people are openly doing cocaine on the tables in some places. (This happened the last time I was out in my home town)

Profanity is one thing... Open use of cocaine is another I guess.

When we point it out to them in a way that hurts.

Revolution is needed to fix the problems.

Please allow us to scan your Biometrics chip please, und you vill enjoy it! :AH-HA_wink:

Yep, we can all get chipped like dogs, and have our own personal GPS.... a company could use it to monitor the location of all resources, and send shocks to resource units that have spent to much time in the bathroom or on a smoke break.. Or the gov't could use it to arrest people that have the right profile for the potential to commit crime...the possibilities are endless!

If they start chipping people, I will arm myself.

If they start chipping people, I will arm myself.

You mean you aren't already? I'm surprised! :AH-HA_wink:

You mean you aren't already? I'm surprised! :AH-HA_wink:

I'm sure the Dept of Homeland Security is working on a plan to do it..

I'm sure the Dept of Homeland Security is working on a plan to do it..

Which? Arm him or Chip him?

Which? Arm him or Chip him?

To chip all resources..to keep tabs on the loyal taxpayers..

Edited January 10, 200817 yr by moltar

To chip all resources..to keep tabs on the loyal taxpayers..

Are you sure you're not German? :AH-HA_wink:

well, I've got the arming part down......just don't come near me with the chip part, or I'll be forced to use arms on you....

Are you sure you're not German? :AH-HA_wink:

Nahh, just paranoid..I don't trust the Government or Republicans.

Nahh, just paranoid..I don't trust the Government or Republicans.

so do you doubly distrust republicans in government? hehe.

there was a good recording of professors talk about whether there's a culture war in this country (on cspan2 last night). both pretty much agreed that the elite of the "right" and "left" have this going on, and it can trickle down to us (everyday people) sometimes when they get into local disputes and use them to further their ideals. they also agreed the bush lost by winning last election.

Nahh, just paranoid..I don't trust the Government or Republicans.

I can do ya one better - I don't trust the government, republicans, or democrats, or, well, any politicians.

Yep, we can all get chipped like dogs, and have our own personal GPS.... a company could use it to monitor the location of all resources, and send shocks to resource units that have spent to much time in the bathroom or on a smoke break.. Or the gov't could use it to arrest people that have the right profile for the potential to commit crime...the possibilities are endless!

Funny you should mention that...

Recent genetics testing of CD (Conduct Disorder, the main precursor to Antisocial Personality Disorder) children has hinted that children with CD have similar profiles. Basically, we could *PREDICT* if a child is at the very least more "at risk" for being a bad person than other children. At the most, taken to a wild extrme, we could fully diagnose a child with the disorder based on a genetics test alone

The research stops short of drawing definite conclusions for fear that someone (or some organization) will take the conclusions and use them as a basis for discrimination or even detainment.

And FWIW, I certainly believe there is a culture war going on in this country. What is the main source of fuel you ask? The media of course! When you tune in to your favorite news cast, do you actually get news or just propaganda with a fact or two sprinkled in? There's your answer.

Edited January 11, 200817 yr by FUTURE_OF_GM

You mean you aren't already? I'm surprised! :AH-HA_wink:

Let's just say that a short trip to an undisclosed location would get the job done. :AH-HA_wink:

I can do ya one better - I don't trust the government, republicans, or democrats, or, well, any politicians.

Yep.

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