August 1, 200817 yr I spent about $150 a week on gas in the Banana... Now, granted it dropped $0.20 last week, but the RoadmOnster got me point A-to-B-to-C-to-D....-to-Z... ALL week and I'm still exactly on half a tank which cost me only $95 to begin with! Damn, I done more than doubled my fuel economy and I'm still rockin' a 5.7 liter V8!
August 2, 200817 yr 17.04 MPG. And that includes my trip upstate, camping last weekend. Gasoline is down to $3.74 here for regular, but even at that low, low price, it still took more than $80 to fill 'er up last night. My grandpa's 00 Silverado with the 5.3L generally gets around 18-20.
August 2, 200817 yr 2006 Escalade ESV Platinum edition - 14.5 MPG 2005 CTS - 24 MPG 2004 SRX - 24 MPG 1999 Dodge Durango - 15 MPG ( Daughters Auto) 1998 Dakota - 17.7 MPG (Sons Truck) 1994 Suburban Custom 402 engine - 11MPG full or empty never seems to change There is the family fleet of auto's. Not too shabby for personal haulers I think. Course if our greedy oil companies did not ship off our refined petroleum products we might actually have lower prices. Damn SOB's While the U.S. oil industry wants access to more federal lands to help reduce reliance on foreign suppliers, U.S.-based companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries. CNBC report on the record shipments of Gas products out of the US. Here is why Diesel and gas are so much more in price.
August 2, 200817 yr Pretty good for a 2.5...the 2.0 Turbo motor is supposed to be better. I've known people with GTI's to get into the low 30's with a manual. Is your car manual or autotrajic? Chris Why, a manual of course. I only accept an automatic if it's midsize, large, or certain class of car. The best I have seen from the Golf's 2.5L 5 cylinder was 30.5 or about 31 miles per gallon. Of course, that was with extensive interstate travel at only 63 mph and gentle acceleration and early shifting for the rest of the tank which holds 14 gallons. With that trip, I travelled 427 miles on one tank.
August 3, 200817 yr Grand Marquis - 26.6 mpg bitches. Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on.
August 3, 200817 yr Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on. Add about 20mph to that and you have a more accurate average speed.
August 3, 200817 yr Yeah, that happens when you drive 50 in the left lane of the highway with your left blinker and high beams on. Just don't set the autopilot in that Mercury. It will head to the 4 O' clock early bird special at the old folks diner in Miami, Florida and you'll never see it again. Chris
August 11, 200817 yr trip this wkd., 3 people and FULL trunk in the 500. running on a fresh oil change and some fuel system cleaner and tires properly inflated (but prob not to 36 psi like i like) there= 231 miles @ 9.0 gallons = 25.66 mpg (with leadfoot wife driving, most often exceeding posted speeds by 10-25 mph). return= 225.7 @ 8.8 gallons (yet to verify) = 25.64 mpg (a large portion of this trip was stop and go and gridlock on the interstate from wefest and brainerd international raceway traffic). I figured I was on pace for 28 or so with me driving, but it all went out the window when this slowed up everyone..... I would say the owner of this vehicle got had it been just me with high psi and no stop and go, I would have gotten 28+ i think. Edited August 11, 200817 yr by regfootball
August 11, 200817 yr Author IMPALA 3.5L LZE, 100% HWY, 36.4MPG Between Calgary and Vancouver BC. Car Fully loaded with four passengers and a full trunk. Edited August 11, 200817 yr by vonVeezelsnider
August 11, 200817 yr I replaced the main fuel-feed hose going to the fuel pump from the gas tank on the Mercedes 500SEC, it had a very slight leak when we bought the car & I knew it was a big part of the reason why I scored the car for like 30-40% of its' realistic current private seller value. It was a press-fit brass fitting with about 8" of fuel line & a hose clamp. So the WHOPPING $19.95 it set me back from NAPA... [brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype] ...anyway the fix was cheap and quick but due to the gasoline that was lost as a result of the leak & repair, a good gallon+ is soaking into my driveway, I still have not been able to get an honest reading on the MB's MPG even thought I know it's going t be 18mph or so BEST case scenario. In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing my high beams. At any rate, the car feels smoother at 120mph than most '80s cars feel at 75mph. It's quite slow to get to 50, 60 & 70... what with even HIGHER gearing than the USA spec. cars, but once you're cruising at 85/90 the next 40 miles seem just a couple seconds away with heavy throttle application! So, long story short, the 500SEC has probably gone through about 60 gallons in the first 800 miles. Still slightly better than the Banana Boat, and if I attempted driving that tank at 124mph I'd probabbly roll it into the median after a tire blowout.
August 11, 200817 yr I replaced the main fuel-feed hose going to the fuel pump from the gas tank on the Mercedes 500SEC, it had a very slight leak when we bought the car & I knew it was a big part of the reason why I scored the car for like 30-40% of its' realistic current private seller value. It was a press-fit brass fitting with about 8" of fuel line & a hose clamp. So the WHOPPING $19.95 it set me back from NAPA... [brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype] ...anyway the fix was cheap and quick but due to the gasoline that was lost as a result of the leak & repair, a good gallon+ is soaking into my driveway, I still have not been able to get an honest reading on the MB's MPG even thought I know it's going t be 18mph or so BEST case scenario. In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing my high beams. 1.) That's not how I recall it...I recall you getting gas everywhere, and the hose breaking when you tried to twist it to get to the clamp screw. I then recall you coming to NAPA only to find out that none of the fittings they had matched your car's, so XP had to recycle the old fitting and make a temp one using a combination of that, clamps, different size connectors, fuel hose and a radiator hose. I also recall it only being a temp fix because the gas would eat through the radiator hose, and you would probably have to buy the real deal from the dealer. Which meant having to do the job over. I also recall the gas got all over you, and you mentioning the skin burning sensation it was causing, and saying that you regretted doing it because of said burning, but Julie needed the car so you had to do it. I guess your definition of "quick and easy" is different than mine. Did you ever get the right hose by the way? Make sure to save that monster the XP made, it's badass. I took pics, remember? 2.) Exactly how fast were you going? Because if you're doing like 120 and he's doing say, 75, and the speed limit is 65, he's not in the wrong, since he's already going 10 over. Now if he was going like 55 and you were going 70 (you, only go 70?) then that's different. Edited August 11, 200817 yr by Dodgefan
August 11, 200817 yr [brainwashed masses] German cars are expensive! [/stereotype] Everytime one of my sister's old Mercs goes to the shop (local Merc specialist German Auto) it's at least $500. They are money pits. In other news I did a high speed run in the car saturday night but ran out of highway when a prick in a Toyota Avalon would NOT surrender the passing lane despite me coming up on him at well over 120mph and flashing my high beams. It's not Europe...you weren't on the autobahn. The flashing lights trick doesn't work in the states...you are lucky you didn't pass a cop, or your irresponsible arse would have been in jail.
August 11, 200817 yr DF: Yes, the car got buttered for ONE night, and at 10:00am the next morning XP had already texted me saying he can get the official part, through one of the warehouses and it would be there at NAPA the followig afternoon. It was installed Sun. morning in about 45min., since this time the previous clusterf**k was avoided as the temp. fix worked well... xcept for the lack of FUEL line hose in that one thick splice. And like I said that is why I immediately ordereed the exact part I needed, that could not be done at 8:30pm when I ripped the original trying to remove it. Wanna see the "MADE IN DEUTCHLAND" stamped package? :wink: XP can back me up, less than $20.00, so call it $21 after tax. ---- As far as the Avalon I described, I do not want to open up that can of worms but let me just explain something: It's the PASSING lane. NOT the 75-in-a-65 lane... NOT the "fast" lane... PAAAAASING. It was an empty road in the middle of the night, that situation calls for him not even clogging it up at ALL even if he was doing 80mph.... IF another 500SEC had come up behind me doing the 160mph top speed I would have moved the F*** over beause at that point HE needs the PASSING lane. People who hog the passing lane are NOT helping, making a positive differance or decreasing road rage and esp. acting responsibly or helping public safety by hogging the lane so as to police the public. Ever heard the saying "two wrongs do not make a right?" ---- Moltar: Oh I'm SURE that is 100% true, but how much of that $500+ is dealer markup on the parts & the absurd labor fees...? I enjoy working on my own cars, I'm too cheap not to, even when the job gets a bit annoying.
August 11, 200817 yr Ask Xp about the time I got pulled over on the CT/MA border in the Infiniti Q45.... The cop walked up to my car to SHOW me the radar gun that said "99mph" and he said: (and I QUOTE!) "Man you've got good reflexes, I KNOW you were going way faster than 99!" You see, as soon as I saw him I just hit the brakes and pulled over for him before he had his lights on... People who try to RUN away on an open highway end up in jail, I've NEVER been arrested, but I have lost my license a time or three.... It's not Europe...you weren't on the autobahn. The flashing lights trick doesn't work in the states...you are lucky you didn't pass a cop, or your irresponsible arse would have been in jail. Yeah, about 70% of drivers in the USA are fu&&ing morons!!! Speed kills... true. But for every time SPEED kills there's 99 otehr cases of somthing else being the problem: - driver distraction - alcohol AND speed - alcohol and falling asleep at the wheel - speeding in bad weatehr conditions, fog, ice, rain, snow... - I could keeep going And let's not forget, a$$holes like this who cause road rage cause bad situations & poor judgement to escalate to much WORSE!
August 12, 200817 yr GF is in Montreal for a week so I have been driving her TSX exclusively... got 28.5mpg 50/50 mixed city/highway driving last tank.
August 12, 200817 yr I got 21 mpg for my last tank, doing all city driving. I'm really happy with that!
August 12, 200817 yr 21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH!
August 12, 200817 yr 21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH! I think the Prius gets better than 21 mpg... face it, GM has nothing on the market in the US that comes close to the Prius mileage. People I know with Priuses say they are getting 40-45 or better. Not the advertised 60, but still quite good for a car that can haul 4-5 people. Edited August 12, 200817 yr by moltar
August 12, 200817 yr My last tank in the stang average 20.9 mpg. A fair amount of town driving and I was driving the highway parts more aggresivley than usuall, since I've been late this whol;e week. I'm still doing really well in the mustang all things considered. 2500 miles since I got it I've averaged 23.8 miles with my best tank being 25.9 mpg.
August 12, 200817 yr I think the Prius gets better than 21 mpg... face it, GM has nothing on the market in the US that comes close to the Prius mileage. People I know with Priuses say they are getting 40-45 or better. Not the advertised 60, but still quite good for a car that can haul 4-5 people. $25,000 real world price for a Prius + $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace (every 100K miles) + stigmata of driving one of the ugliest $h!boxes on the road =/= good value 1980s M.B. 240D w/ 5-speed = good value if you want cheap fuel costs, room for five adults in a safe package... or if you don't care about driving a cramped $h!box then get a Rabbit diesel or Honda Civic/CRX. Edited August 12, 200817 yr by Sixty8panther
August 12, 200817 yr $25,000 real world price for a Prius + $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace (every 100K miles) In the real world, a lot of people buy new cars...$25k is cheap for a new car. Driving old cars with high mileage isn't a realistic option for most people. And I've never known anyone that had to replace batteries on a Prius, that's a myth.
August 12, 200817 yr They're too new to need replacement at this point. It's not a myth, wait a few more years.... do you know anyone with a Prius that has 100,000, 120,000 or more miles on it? I suppose you think Toyota has perfected the art of black magic and made a battery that will NEVER need replacement? Now THAT is silly. I understand people's "logic" I just think it is quite illogical and in some cases, plain DUMB to buy a Prius. I may HATE Honda but if you're a 23 year old recent college grad that buys a Civic for the high MPG and four doors then at least you're getting what you were promissed by the manufacturer! If you think Ford, GM or Mopar would EVER get a break from the press, be it CNN, MT, FOX25 news, C&D, R&T or whatever, for under-delivering on MPGs like the Prius has than you're not being honest with yourself. C'mon Moltar...
August 12, 200817 yr They're too new to need replacement at this point. It's not a myth, wait a few more years.... do you know anyone with a Prius that has 100,000, 120,000 or more miles on it? No...the people I know with Priuses will probably trade them before they get that many miles. I suppose you think Toyota has perfected the art of black magic and made a battery that will NEVER need replacement? I'm sure they will need replacement eventually.. If you think Ford, GM or Mopar would EVER get a break from the press, be it CNN, MT, FOX25 news, C&D, R&T or whatever, for under-delivering on MPGs like the Prius has than you're not being honest with yourself. C'mon Moltar... Just being realistic...Ford, GM, Mopar don't have anything in the US currently that gets Prius mileage..simple fact. And it's sad, because I know that they have diesels in Europe that can get that kind of mileage, but the Big 3 spent the last few years pissing away money on stupid 5000-6000lb trucks and SUVs that could barely get 16 mpg, let alone 20...they used to have cars that could get good mileage--heck, my Ford Escort diesel got over 50--20+ years ago! To think we would stay at $2/gallon gas indefinitely was very short-sighted. I'd love to see the Detroit 3 lead for once, instead of always being behind the curve... Edited August 12, 200817 yr by moltar
August 12, 200817 yr Ford, GM, Mopar don't have anything in the US currently that gets Prius mileage..simple fact. And it's sad, because I know that they have diesels in Europe that can get that kind of mileage, but the Big 3 spent the last few years pissing away money on stupid 5000-6000lb trucks and SUVs that could barely get 16 mpg, let alone 20...they used to have cars that could get good mileage--heck, my Ford Escort diesel got over 50--20+ years ago! To think we would stay at $2/gallon gas indefinitely was very short-sighted. I'd love to see the Detroit 3 lead for once, instead of always being behind the curve... I can not argue with that... I've said things to that effect too. Or, as a friend once said, I think it was XP actually: "Toyota's making a killing selling Prius-es-es mean time GM's strategy is: A HUMMER H2 IN EVERY DRIVEWAY BY 2010!" (circa 2006)
August 12, 200817 yr Seriously, most Prius owners I know are getting 45-55 m.p.g. out of them, and I have known quite a few that have gone well over 100k without battery issues. The Volt cannot get here soon enough. That being said, there is just something that says "class" about a German diesel. My son Joel and I are probably going to join the local Columbus TDI Volkswagen group (a couple of guys in the local Miata club invited us to Fridays club meeting.) Also, Steve, my body guy/mechanic that helps me on all of my cars has a receptionist/secretary who is married to a guy named Chavez. Chavez runs a garage that mostly deals with Benz, esp. older Benz. They have tried to talk me into benz ownership several times. The last car was a pristine always garaged late 80's diesel with only about 80k on the clock, for $3200. It was white and looked great! But I am thinking if I go diesel it will be VW. Latest MPG,running through the wilds of Ohio with the Miata club and not being gentle, was 26.7 in the Miata. Oh, and Sixty eight...we are running a caravan with the Miata club to Aubrun IN. for the Aubrun-Cord-Dusenberg weekend. If I can break away and go I'll think about you. Oh, and Dodgefan, I thought of you when the Mopar nationals were in town...Joel and I went out to Brice Road and watched the action. We pulled in the BP station next to a Coronet R/t convertible down on Brioce while we were waiting for the action to start. Do you suppose the 440 4V in the Coronet might possibly "outgun" the 1.8 in my Miata? Chris Edited August 12, 200817 yr by 66Stang
August 12, 200817 yr $3200 for ANY diesel Benz with under 100,000 miles is a great deal these days... as long as it's not any more rusty than the Sanford & Son truck. I could not see myself turning down a great deal on a squish-bang MB only to buy a VW, esp. some '80s FWD, lightweight VW. They're not even in the same ballpark. After almost gettin killed in my Datsun due to an accident I could not have prevented I do not see myself ever buying a lightweight car unless there is some otehr SERIOUS incentive... (e.g. Pre-war)
August 12, 200817 yr Brainstorm: ULTRA-super-awesome-MPG commuter car: Miata from the junkyard + drivetrain from MB 240D. B)
August 12, 200817 yr I got 21 mpg for my last tank, doing all city driving. I'm really happy with that! Pretty impressive. I've always thought GM had some pretty good powertrain design. Chris
August 12, 200817 yr Brainstorm: ULTRA-super-awesome-MPG commuter car: Miata from the junkyard + drivetrain from MB 240D. B) I like the way you think! Chris
August 13, 200817 yr Just talked to Jill, the Prius is getting about 47 since she left. That with the drive from here to Baltimore and the driving she's been doing there.
August 13, 200817 yr 21 mpg in a 4th gen. T/A is a big part of the reason why if you buy a Prius you're obviously suffering from a paper-cut of the vagina and did NO RESEARCH! LMAO $25,000 real world price for a Prius + $6000-$7000 additional for every set of batteries you have to replace (every 100K miles) + stigmata of driving one of the ugliest $h!boxes on the road =/= good value $25,000 for a Prius OR $10,000 for a good condition 4th gen F Body $15,000 to spend on gas Seriously, most Prius owners I know are getting 45-55 m.p.g. out of them, and I have known quite a few that have gone well over 100k without battery issues. People I know have been saying they are getting a lot worse than what Toyota is claiming. It looks like the media might be catching on to that also. Hopefully... Toyota Prius vs Jeep Patriot: the great MPG test by Claire Edwards and Jay Nagley "American buyers are questioning the official fuel consumption figures of the Prius" Introduction Eager owners sometimes present a Toyota Prius as David Attenborough on wheels…decent, environmentally aware and beyond criticism. And yet there are nagging doubts that the Toyota is not nearly as irreproachable as Britain's national treasure. You don't have to look very hard on the web to find American buyers questioning the official fuel consumption figures, while some Europeans question whether a simple diesel engine would not be equally economical. So, we decided to conduct the ultimate test, pitting the Prius (easily the world's biggest-selling hybrid with just over 1 million sold to date) against the devil's own tool; an SUV. Our choice of SUV was simple. Jeep was recognised in 2007 for having the most improved fuel consumption across its model range, and has won a Green Award for the Patriot. The Patriot Diesel is one of the most economical 4x4's available on the market today (thanks to its VW engine) and boasts lower CO2 emissions than, say, a Renault Scenic 1.6. The rules would be simple; both drivers were to drive the way they normally would, but in order to ensure that driving styles didn't interfere with the results, they would swap half way and all speed limits would be adhered to. The test Despite being very different animals, the Patriot and the Prius are both acknowledged as family cars, so our route would take us on a typical family day out to the south coast. Starting from Tower Bridge in the centre of London, we set off at 10am to avoid the rush hour traffic heading out towards Brighton and our first waypoint. The first impressions of the Patriot were not great - the first few seconds were spent scanning the truly nasty plastics of the interior. Once we had got used to the dashboard, we could not help noticing that it did not actually contain very much - even though we had the range-topping Limited model, there was no sat nav and only a basic radio and CD/MP3 player. However, once on the move things rapidly improved, as it proved remarkably easy to pilot the Patriot around the city. Despite its size, it didn't feel awkward, and was comfortable inside. The interior of the Prius was less offensive to the eye and came with more kit than the Patriot. The sat nav was easy to program, so it was decided that the Prius would lead the way. However, it took time to get used to the odd automatic gear lever, which sits on the dash next to the steering wheel. When we first tried to pull off at a set of lights the electronic parking brake wouldn't release and the gearbox refused to select 'drive'. It took quite a bit of persuasion before the electronic systems agreed to let us go on our way. As we approached the motorway the two on-board computers were reading very different figures. The Prius was showing around 58mpg, whilst the Patriot showed just below 40mpg. The Prius is almost silent whilst driving in the city, but on the motorway you could hear the engine working quite hard - it is only a 1.5 litre unit and the batteries are no help at cruising speed. Nonetheless, by the time we reached the Brighton seafront the trip computer was claiming over 62mpg. In contrast, the Patriot's 2.4-litre diesel engine feels effortless at cruising speeds and the uncouth growl you get from it around town almost disappears. It also feels more spacious than the Prius, which would be a little cramped with the whole family aboard. After stopping at Brighton, the rest of the journey took us along the coastal route for a few miles before we stopped again to swap drivers and headed back towards London. The entire route took us over 160 miles covering coastal, motorway and city roads. The result Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles. The result was astonishing: both cars had used nearly identical amounts of fuel. The Jeep had averaged 38.9 mpg - only 3.1 mpg less than its computer had recorded. However, the computer of the Prius appeared to be telling whoppers: it actually achieved just 39.9 mpg - a massive 17.1 mpg less than it had claimed. Whereas, the first impressions of the Patriot had been overwhelmingly negative - it's an SUV with interior plastics apparently supplied by a Chinese Christmas cracker factory - it converted us by the end of the day. It had been a better experience for both driver (more pleasant to drive) and passenger (more space). Our test also raises the question over the economy of hybrids overall - a subject to which we will be returning. Certainly it might feel like you're contributing to a greener world, but most manufacturers are constantly improving their diesel cars to make them greener and more efficient. It seems that if economy is what you're after from a family car, there are better, and - let's face it - more stylish, options than a Prius.
August 27, 200817 yr had to make a side trip out of town tonight with the new ride (Taurus X AWD). there....230.8 miles/10.50 gallons=21.98 mpg back.....214.0 miles/10.10 gallons=21.18 mpg dealing with 3 people on board and a stiff breeze each way would have liked to see 24-25, epa hwy is 22. front drive only we'd prob improve those numbers a fair amount. 10% maybe.
August 27, 200817 yr The result Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles. The result was astonishing: both cars had used nearly identical amounts of fuel. The Jeep had averaged 38.9 mpg - only 3.1 mpg less than its computer had recorded. However, the computer of the Prius appeared to be telling whoppers: it actually achieved just 39.9 mpg - a massive 17.1 mpg less than it had claimed. Whereas, the first impressions of the Patriot had been overwhelmingly negative - it's an SUV with interior plastics apparently supplied by a Chinese Christmas cracker factory - it converted us by the end of the day. It had been a better experience for both driver (more pleasant to drive) and passenger (more space). Our test also raises the question over the economy of hybrids overall - a subject to which we will be returning. Certainly it might feel like you're contributing to a greener world, but most manufacturers are constantly improving their diesel cars to make them greener and more efficient. It seems that if economy is what you're after from a family car, there are better, and - let's face it - more stylish, options than a Prius. The Prius has a fuel tank bladder to reduce emissions, which means total volume varies between fill-ups. A mere 160 miles isn't enough to make a conclusion on fuel consumption.
August 27, 200817 yr Had we relied on the onboard computers, the Prius would have won by a landslide, as by the end of the trip they read 57mpg and 42mpg for the Prius and Jeep respectively. However, to get the real figure, we calculated consumption based on how much fuel each car had used over the 160 miles. I ufcking KNEW IT!!!!!!! I've been waiting patiently for this (news) to get out, Toyo-pet Nippon Inc., being the scumbag lying & cheaeting organization it is always ends up getting exposed for the crappy dirtbag $hitshow it is... Problem is: no one in the USA ever listens. I once tried to explain to a buddy (NOT a car guy at all) about how the computer in my STS works: the average MPG reading was always very accurate, within 0.1 mpg but the instantaneous 48-mpg you get going downhill, coasting at 79 mph is NOT any indication of the truth... too many people are too dumb to think for themselves, maybe that's why we're so obsessed with computers these days... too freekin lazy & stupid.
August 27, 200817 yr I ufcking KNEW IT!!!!!!! I've been waiting patiently for this (news) to get out, Toyo-pet Nippon Inc., being the scumbag lying & cheaeting organization it is always ends up getting exposed for the crappy dirtbag $hitshow it is... Problem is: no one in the USA ever listens. I once tried to explain to a buddy (NOT a car guy at all) about how the computer in my STS works: the average MPG reading was always very accurate, within 0.1 mpg but the instantaneous 48-mpg you get going downhill, coasting at 79 mph is NOT any indication of the truth... too many people are too dumb to think for themselves, maybe that's why we're so obsessed with computers these days... too freekin lazy & stupid. I doubt either the Jeep or the Prius did that well in real world terms...unless we are talking about diesel fuel and they are strapped to the back of a frieght train with GM EMD power up front... See, GM has the highest fuel efficiency yet! Sadly, cars like Schuby's Cool TA are passed over by 4 cyl turbo cars like the new Evo or Ralliart by Mitsu, which in real world testing get 13-16 m.p.g. I'd rather have the big, thumpin V8 and the fuel economy. The only bad part would be scraping the remains of the Mitsu out of the Trans Am's Catalytic converter after the TA sucked the Mitsu through its cold air intake...and tried spitting it out the tail pipe. I wonder if Ex-Lax works for Pontiacs? Chris
August 27, 200817 yr Sadly, cars like Schuby's Cool TA are passed over by 4 cyl turbo cars like the new Evo or Ralliart by Mitsu, which in real world testing get 13-16 m.p.g. One of the most basic and elemental rules of science, which also happens to be IMHO just plain 'ol common sense is lost on 99.9% of ricers, 75% of snoby import humping blockheads & our freekin' government. It takes fuel to make power. It takes MORE fuel to make MORE power. Stock, your little Civic sedan that is meant to go "over the river & through the woods to grandmother's house" and it does so well... as does a Cobalt or Celica or WHATEVER, but if you buy it talking about how you're gonna put the hurtin' on that '72 Trans Am with 455 power by installing a turbo that is bigger than the damn bell-housing on a 5-0 Mustang AND get great MPGs while you blow everyone's doors off at the track.... Well, you're a fu*ktard pure and simple. Annnnd chances are you have no clue WTF you are talking about and in order to run that 11.8 sec. time in the 1/4 mile that you're bragging about as your Civic HX still sits in the driveway an 18 sec. car, will need $40,000 worth of work, after which, as the laws of physics, common sense & science dictate: you'll be EXACTLY where that 455-powered Pontiac Trans Am is in terms of fuel economy: pretty damn poor... like low teens AT BEST!
August 27, 200817 yr oh.... on a related note, remember that freekin stupid concept Toyota made in like 1998? blatant rippoff of the H1 in terms of styling AND basic mechanicals: the motor was a 4-liter 4-cyl. "That's gotta get like 75mpgs, yo! Toyopet is like the FTW-master in high fuel economeeee!"
August 27, 200817 yr oh.... on a related note, remember that freekin stupid concept Toyota made in like 1998? blatant rippoff of the H1 in terms of styling AND basic mechanicals: the motor was a 4-liter 4-cyl. Toyota Mega Cruiser...built from '95-02. Had front, center, rear differentials, four wheel steering, 4.1L 4 cyl turbo diesel. Toally badass. They should have sold it here with a Hybrid Synergy Drive as the Prius Green Beast or something..
August 27, 200817 yr If I even try to post anything about that.... that thing my head will explode. You sure that this isn't chinese made?
August 27, 200817 yr If I even try to post anything about that.... that thing my head will explode. You sure that this isn't chinese made? Ahhh, you know you want it...it's a forbidden fruit... never sold here.
September 1, 200817 yr Just filled the Cobalt up around lunchtime - 29.0 MPG in purely city driving. Yeah, I'm telling everyone that'll listen
September 1, 200817 yr Just filled the Cobalt up around lunchtime - 29.0 MPG in purely city driving. Yeah, I'm telling everyone that'll listen i don't know/remember, stick or auto?
September 1, 200817 yr Automagic. The car was rated at 25 city under the old EPA estimates. Pretty freaking sweet!
September 1, 200817 yr Author I got 27MPG all City on my last tank G5 SE Sedan, Automatic The Impala's hovering around 26MPG all City, and the Maxx is hovering around 23MPG all city.
September 1, 200817 yr just got back from a 600+ mile trip in the new T-Rex. 21.5 for the first 1/3 of the trip in stiff winds but the last 2 parts were serious stop and no go and seriously horrible winds, probably netted about 19 at best for the last 2 parts. still ok i guess for a 4500 lb vehicle with awd and 3 people and loaded up a lot.
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