September 20, 200817 yr 68, I think he is joking....but in these tough times-It helps to have a sense of humor..... Don't worry Dave, the insane just don't get humor. More B pillars for everyone!
September 21, 200817 yr Still if it keeps Pontiac alive and helps sales volume and keeps Pontiac alive and well I am all for it.
September 22, 200817 yr It perplexes me how you can simultaneously call yourself a Pontiac fan and yet cheer on GM's starvation of the brand. it really does seem as if they're TRYING to kill off Pontiac. You yourself have said things to that effect , & yet you always seem to use a smiley face as if it's funny. You think it's funny that GM is on track to ruining another great percentage of their legacy and killing off a division that survived the depression of the 1930s, WWII & even a few bad decades (sales wise esp.) more recently? Sick. I swear PCS I do not understand your motives but it seems you're getting a paycheck from someone else other than just GM, if you even work for GM at all. PCS is not a GM employee. He is a minion of someone within GM. He doesn't care about what's good for the company as long as the ass that he kisses gets the attention it needs. PCS is CLASSIC old skool GM exec. (I can't wait for that retirement party he keeps alluding to) Edited September 22, 200817 yr by FUTURE_OF_GM
September 22, 200817 yr PCS is not a GM employee. You're right, I'm not a GM employee, I'm a GME employee. He is a minion of someone within GM. He doesn't care about what's good for the company as long as the ass that he kisses gets the attention it needs. I don't think anyone who knows me inside or outside of GME would describe me as a Minion of anyone else. I am very Alpha Male oriented, which I think from time to time rubs people the wrong way. I look at it as all part of my charm. :AH-HA_wink: PCS is CLASSIC old skool GM exec. (I can't wait for that retirement party he keeps alluding to) How am I old skool? I started at GM in 1989 (I wasn't part of the Smith, Stemple regime), and I am only 39, I would look at me sticking around until the age of 65 or so, if GM last that long. So FOG, barring GM going bust, you and I have plenty of years left to admire each other.
September 22, 200817 yr Will it be called the G3 Wave in the US? If so GM might do a "Wave of Excitement" ad! Edited September 22, 200817 yr by ZL-1
September 24, 200817 yr You're right, I'm not a GM employee, I'm a GME employee. I don't think anyone who knows me inside or outside of GME would describe me as a Minion of anyone else. I am very Alpha Male oriented, which I think from time to time rubs people the wrong way. I look at it as all part of my charm. :AH-HA_wink: How am I old skool? I started at GM in 1989 (I wasn't part of the Smith, Stemple regime), and I am only 39, I would look at me sticking around until the age of 65 or so, if GM last that long. So FOG, barring GM going bust, you and I have plenty of years left to admire each other. Hey, all joking and sarcasm aside, can you get me a job?!?!? :AH-HA_wink:
September 24, 200817 yr While I'm not thrilled about the idea of a Daewoo-produced, FWD non-sporty econobox in Pontiac's lineup, might this be a way to prop up Pontiac's CAFE numbers, thus allowing them to sell stuff like G8s and G8 STs in greater number? -RBB
September 24, 200817 yr Saw a 2009 Aveo5 this weekend-looked even worse in person than in pictures-this car's over 5 years old-a full redesign is needed cause these cars suck, and I agree the G3 Wave is unnecessary, almost abominable. Some of those old Pontiacs were cool (the Bonnevilles and Safari), others are crap I want to forever forget about (1000, Korean LeMans, etc.)-seriously, I think its time to sign the papers at this rate...
September 25, 200817 yr Hey, all joking and sarcasm aside, can you get me a job?!?!? :AH-HA_wink: I'm sure you've heard that GMNA is laying off employees and closing sites. Why on Earth would you want to work for GMNA? There are jobs in GME, but there are rules about who is allowed to work in Germany/Europe, as you are not a citizen, and I know you wouldn't want to go against your principles and work for GME, the root of all evil.
September 25, 200817 yr Will it be called the G3 Wave in the US? If so GM might do a "Wave of Excitement" ad! Wow! Way to make me queasy
September 25, 200817 yr While I'm not thrilled about the idea of a Daewoo-produced, FWD non-sporty econobox in Pontiac's lineup, might this be a way to prop up Pontiac's CAFE numbers, thus allowing them to sell stuff like G8s and G8 STs in greater number? -RBB Why not?
September 25, 200817 yr The G3 isn't going to sell in big enough numbers to effect CAFE in any meanigful way, it will probably sell worse than the G5. Plus, the production capacity for the eleventy-million G8s that people on this board think Pontiac can sell doesn't exist. The G3 and G5 are just GM giving into pressure from BPG dealers to get something cheap onto lots during a downturn in the economy, and the products reflect that.
September 25, 200817 yr The G3 isn't going to sell in big enough numbers to effect CAFE in any meanigful way, it will probably sell worse than the G5. Plus, the production capacity for the eleventy-million G8s that people on this board think Pontiac can sell doesn't exist. The G3 and G5 are just GM giving into pressure from BPG dealers to get something cheap onto lots during a downturn in the economy, and the products reflect that. I wouldn't bet on that..if gas prices skyrocket again, it wouldn't suprise me if the G3/Aveo twins sell in numbers close to what the j bodies sold in th 80s.... As much I love cars, if gas hits 6 bucks a gallon- there is a good chance that a G3 could grace my driveway... I do not plan one spending all of my income on my daily driver....
September 25, 200817 yr I wouldn't bet on that..if gas prices skyrocket again, it wouldn't suprise me if the G3/Aveo twins sell in numbers close to what the j bodies sold in th 80s.... As much I love cars, if gas hits 6 bucks a gallon- there is a good chance that a G3 could grace my driveway... I do not plan one spending all of my income on my daily driver.... +1 You guys whine about $4 a gallon - wait until you hit $5.50, like we are used to. When it costs you $120 to fill up your SUV, your world changes, trust me. As much as I don't like sharing the Wave with the Aveo, the world hasn't ended. Before this mortgage BS hit the fan, I would have hoped GM could stop this blatant rebadging; however, in light of the market free-fall, all bets are off. We could easily be returning to the awful days of the early '80s when horsepower and fun were out the window and fuel mileage was the end-all and be-all. One could hope that we won't need to see 83 hp $h!boxes on the road, but one never knows. One more hurricane blows up the gulf and oil could be over $150 a barrel again.
September 25, 200817 yr I'm sure you've heard that GMNA is laying off employees and closing sites. Why on Earth would you want to work for GMNA? There are jobs in GME, but there are rules about who is allowed to work in Germany/Europe, as you are not a citizen, and I know you wouldn't want to go against your principles and work for GME, the root of all evil. As always, I am innocent. :AH-HA_wink:
September 26, 200817 yr +1 You guys whine about $4 a gallon - wait until you hit $5.50, like we are used to. When it costs you $120 to fill up your SUV, your world changes, trust me. As much as I don't like sharing the Wave with the Aveo, the world hasn't ended. Before this mortgage BS hit the fan, I would have hoped GM could stop this blatant rebadging; however, in light of the market free-fall, all bets are off. We could easily be returning to the awful days of the early '80s when horsepower and fun were out the window and fuel mileage was the end-all and be-all. One could hope that we won't need to see 83 hp $h!boxes on the road, but one never knows. One more hurricane blows up the gulf and oil could be over $150 a barrel again. Cheap AND affordable are very important RIGHT now- rebadge or not......
September 26, 200817 yr I think I'd ride the bus before I would drive a tiny sh*tbox. We need diesels here and now. The Aveo/G3's mileage is pathetic for such a tiny car. Edited September 26, 200817 yr by moltar
September 26, 200817 yr I think I'd ride the bus before I would drive a tiny sh*tbox. We need diesels here and now. The Aveo/G3's mileage is pathetic for such a tiny car. Bam! I've seen diesel in my area for 3.97/gallon. Well within acceptibility of my paying. Considering that gasoline having kissed $4.97/gallon a few weeks ago; the fuel efficiency of a diesel car would be worth the extra outlay in sustained high fuel prices, and even with lower prices, I could still say Nyah Nyah! if I do get a Golf TDI.
September 26, 200817 yr Bam! I've seen diesel in my area for 3.97/gallon. Well within acceptibility of my paying. Considering that gasoline having kissed $4.97/gallon a few weeks ago; the fuel efficiency of a diesel car would be worth the extra outlay in sustained high fuel prices, and even with lower prices, I could still say Nyah Nyah! if I do get a Golf TDI. Yes... it's amazing how short-sighted the domestics have been about diesels...hell, my diesel Escort from '84 got over 50 on the highway. Why hasn't Ford had a diesel Focus here the last 8 years? Oh, they've been too busy building 3 ton Super Duty diesels...
September 26, 200817 yr I think I'd ride the bus before I would drive a tiny sh*tbox. We need diesels here and now. The Aveo/G3's mileage is pathetic for such a tiny car. Well, I could agree with that....but the cars are not that tiny...... They are about the same size as my old 80s Cavalier....
September 26, 200817 yr Well, I could agree with that....but the cars are not that tiny...... They are about the same size as my old 80s Cavalier.... They look awfully small and insubstantial to me--like a modern Geo Metro. The Mini looks much more substantial. The Mini is about the only US market B-segment car I like....looking forward to seeing the Fiesta, though. Edited September 26, 200817 yr by moltar
September 26, 200817 yr They look awfully small and insubstantial to me--like a modern Geo Metro. The Mini looks much more substantial. The Mini is about the only US market B-segment car I like....looking forward to seeing the Fiesta, though. Well, the hatch reminds me of the Escort.....
September 26, 200817 yr To tell you the truth, I will rather buy that ultra small Smart over this Korean chevy junk re-badged as Pontiac. At least with a smart, you get the look, safety, and gas mileage, which you DON'T get on this crap. It's a bad move by GM. Well, I guess, you can say it's a success to the direction they are headed. Killing of the Pontiac brand.
September 26, 200817 yr To tell you the truth, I will rather buy that ultra small Smart over this Korean chevy junk re-badged as Pontiac. At least with a smart, you get the look, safety, and gas mileage, which you DON'T get on this crap. It's a bad move by GM. Well, I guess, you can say it's a success to the direction they are headed. Killing of the Pontiac brand. Well, people are going to find Smart cars are not so great either. When a 10 year old Sunfire can kill you (happened about a week ago here), I'd rather have something I would have a chance in. At least the Aveo will hold up... What you don't understand is that everything has changed in the car game. And until things get better, this will help keep Pontiac through the tough times......
September 26, 200817 yr Smarts have a 3 banger and they take premium I'll be god-damned if I'll put 91 in a sub-compact! I'll do it in a Cadillac or performance car maybe... Not a 70hp $h!box. Although they look cool.
September 27, 200817 yr They look awfully small and insubstantial to me--like a modern Geo Metro. The Mini looks much more substantial. The Mini is about the only US market B-segment car I like....looking forward to seeing the Fiesta, though. Well, I've driven them quite a bit and they are not that bad. I'd still rather have a Cobalt, but there are a lot of people (read: immigrants) who are predisposed to subcompacts, having come from Europe or South America where Aveo-sized cars are the norm. At this risk of beating a dead horse, the new Aveo is a step up from the old one. I wouldn't necessarily go as far as saying they are peppy, but they are not as embarassing as the Datsun 210s and Dodge Omnis of a generation ago.
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