"Please give me a lobotomy,

I'll buy a Camry for its superior fuel economy"

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Okay, so GM is taking a thrashing in the media,

all I hear is how much they suck... and yet a

few days ago I was in traffic in the M.B., at a

red light, nex to a mid-90s MR2 turbo.

Made me think.

Toyota, the 'Chosen One' the Holy Grail of

automotive answers to questions most people

have never asked, the mcanufacturer that for

some reason gets pro-bono filatio from 92%

of all "media" in and out of the Automotive

Journalism field... let's recap what exactly they

have been doing with themselves in the past

decade.

The gross MR-Spyder replaced the MR2 and

shortly after dropped off planet earth.

The Supra was killed... to make way for the

Solara...?

The last gen. Celica, one of the few, and I

mean FEW interesting Toyota designs that

has been sold in about three decades was

killed off to help boost Scion sales....

Speaking of which, what the hell kind of

bull$h! is the Scion brand... it was meant

to bring in the youth market w/ funky

designs & affordability but seems like they

managed to "out-Buick" Buick as far as

reeling in the over-60 crowd... I think most

Scion xBs are owned by old folks who

just wanted a cheap minivan.

Why is it that the Sheeple of the USA do

not ever see the stupidity and hypocracy

of ToyoPET inc.?

What the hell kind of unAmerican mentality

drives this hate towards all thing American

while fueling our self destruction, esp. the

economic war that Japan has been winning

for the past 30 years!

Yep...

The Scion tC is kind of nice and a little sporty. But it is pretty bland looking at the same time. The interior is a typical Toyota poor design.

The Lexus IS is also kind of nice and sporty, but also suffers from a poor interior, and the exterior hasn't aged well.

Toyota is just such a boring company, I think I'm ready for a nap now after talking about them... ZZzzzzz.....

The last generation Celica wasn't that good of a car either. Drive one hard and then drive an Integra GSR hard or an Integra Type R hard, or a 99-2000 civic SI hard, or a 2002-2005 Cicic SI hard...

You'll find out what a piss poor design the Celica really is. The Honda producsts WAY outclass (by several orders of magnatude) the DSM MITSU cars, and yet the DSM outclasses the Celica IMHO.

Chris

I terms of styling, the last gen. Celica was one of the most

original, interesting and cohesive designs that has been

sold in the USA by Toyota in over two decades, Those high

cut headlights and the very unorthodox sculpting of the

car's flanks, the stretched canvas greenhouse... I gotta tell

you a few Celica GT-S magazine cutouts graced my walls

back in college... sharing room with 1969 Camaros & 1932

Ford Hot Rods.

There is not ONE car today sold in the USA by ToyoPet Inc.

outside of the IS-series & GS-series lexus products that has

any worth to me. The average Toyota product in 2008

honestly gets about a D+ from me... where as the last gen.

Celica was a product that at least interested me enough to

take a second glance.

The IS is pretty nice.

I really have a strange attraction to the GS.

The LS is handsome if a bit bland.

The tC is alright.

The Celica was nothing if not original.

I really liked the last Supra.

That's it.

Edited November 18, 200817 yr by Dodgefan

If they were not such rusty bucket of flimsy bolts

and thin sheet metal I'd be tempted to pick up a

1970-1973 Celica hardtop... that mini-Mopar

styling has always tickled my fancy.

It's like a Mini-Charger Clown Car.

The fastback looked the best but both it and the

notch-back were pillarless hardtops.

Anyone else think the current Sequoia's nose looks

like a Chinese knock-off of the Dodge Ram...?

If they were not such rusty bucket of flimsy bolts

and thin sheet metal I'd be tempted to pick up a

1970-1973 Celica hardtop... that mini-Mopar

styling has always tickled my fancy.

It's like a Mini-Charger Clown Car.

The fastback looked the best but both it and the

notch-back were pillarless hardtops.

The president of our Miata club used to ahve a 72 Celica like that. He was riding with a friend onto a military base. They ran over a speed bump and the spare tire went through the trunk floor (Florida car, not that rusty) in front of a whole bunch of guys.

The SCCA team I used to crew for ran an old 82 Toyota Corolla 2 door. Not a bad car, but much better sense of design in 82 than they have now, IMHO.

Chris

Anyone else think the current Sequoia's nose looks

like a Chinese knock-off of the Dodge Ram...?

I think the whole Sequioa thing looks terrible.

The Suburban is much better and much cheaper.

Chris

If they were not such rusty bucket of flimsy bolts

and thin sheet metal I'd be tempted to pick up a

1970-1973 Celica hardtop... that mini-Mopar

styling has always tickled my fancy.

It's like a Mini-Charger Clown Car.

The fastback looked the best but both it and the

notch-back were pillarless hardtops.

didnt they use a white one on mythbusters for the ejection seat test and then torched it with the 1000 lighters exploding in the sun myth?

The SCCA team I used to crew for ran an old 82 Toyota Corolla 2 door. Not a bad car, but much better sense of design in 82 than they have now, IMHO.

Chris

That's not saying much but I agree 100%

The GS is overrated. I've been in one and it's nothing special. Give me a Cadillac STS any day.

I don't really mind the IS, and the LS has grown on me, but pretty much everything else from the Toyota lineup is a snooze-fest or downright hideous. The Tundra looks so ugly on the road...it reminds me of a slug.

One final toyota note...during the last SCCA autocross of the year, my son Joel was riding with a female driver in a Toyota MR2. Everytime she got up on the wheel to go around a corner, she screamed "turn, BITCH, Turn" at her car.

Maybe it's just me, but a female race car driver calling her car a bitch and telling it to scream strikes me as funny.

Chris

Bizzzare.