September 17, 200916 yr This is step one, to bringing my brand back from the dead ... Edit: That is what I'm working towards, let's see where this road leads ... Link: Sydney Herald on Holden Commodore export program. Edited September 17, 200916 yr by Oldsmoboi
September 17, 200916 yr Cool! Way better than police Chargers IMO. What happened to the currency problems though?
September 17, 200916 yr Are they also going to bring the Ute version w/ a cap for police animal control handling use? (Like the pic PCS posted the other day). And the wagon for coroner's office use? Edited September 17, 200916 yr by Cubical-aka-Moltar
September 17, 200916 yr Author Are they also going to bring the Ute version w/ a cap for police animal control handling use? (Like the pic PCS posted the other day). And the wagon for coroner's office use? Did I post that, hmmmmm, I wonder why????
September 17, 200916 yr This is step one, to bringing my brand back from the dead ... Edit: That is what I'm working towards, let's see where this road leads ... Link: http://bit.ly/9BTfj That's an interesting position for you to be taking...
September 17, 200916 yr Author That's an interesting position for you to be taking... I'm kind of like God in reverse ... I taketh away, and then I giveth ...
September 17, 200916 yr Author Well I enjoy challenges, it makes the time fly by, and I'm never bored ...
September 17, 200916 yr Cool! Way better than police Chargers IMO. What happened to the currency problems though? The currency problem vaporized a while back.
September 17, 200916 yr If any good should miraculously come form this, I think I've earned advance notice, :AH-HA_wink:
September 17, 200916 yr Author If any good should miraculously come form this, I think I've earned advance notice, :AH-HA_wink: Where is the fun in that? Hmmmm ???
September 17, 200916 yr Where is the fun in that? Hmmmm ??? OK fine, then just send me a prepro example.
September 17, 200916 yr If we throw caution to the wind and assume that this actually happens, how would these police cruisers be badged?
September 17, 200916 yr If we throw caution to the wind and assume that this actually happens, how would these police cruisers be badged? Chevrolet Fleetmaster or something?
September 17, 200916 yr use up the Pontiac parts. Sell them fleet only through GMC/Buick dealers. Can't say that that thought hadn't crossed my mind...
September 17, 200916 yr Anyway, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll still have fun with it anyway, though. To sum it up: Pro: The Commodore will still be sold in the United States. Con: You can buy one retired from chasing stolen Ford Mustangs, speeding after idiots on a foot chase, and pulling over punk ass teenagers going 5 over the limit with 200,000 miles and most everything broken 10 years from when they finally get here. Expect to pony up for some paint too. Pro: In that case I can buy one cheap, right? Say for about Three-Kay or so? Con: See above. Expect to dump another Three-Kay into fixing a broken-this and a broken-that and into turning the zebra into a thoroughbred. Costing a grand total of six-thousand dollars, you should really go out and buy something classic instead. Jalopnik sucks. I'm better. Edited September 17, 200916 yr by whiteknight
September 17, 200916 yr Anyway, I'll believe it when I see it. I'll still have fun with it anyway, though. To sum it up: Pro: The Commodore will still be sold in the United States. Con: You can buy one retired from chasing stolen Ford Mustangs, speeding after idiots on a foot chase, and pulling over punk ass teenagers going 5 over the limit with 200,000 miles and most everything broken 10 years from when they finally get here. Expect to pony up for some paint too. Pro: In that case I can buy one cheap, right? Say for about Three-Kay or so? Con: See above. Expect to dump another Three-Kay into fixing a broken-this and a broken-that and into turning the zebra into a thoroughbred. Yeah. But there were some B4Cs and 9C1s that made it out the backdoor without lightbars...
September 17, 200916 yr and relatively low miles for the model year. i frequently see b4c's with less than 100K miles for sale. seems like a lot but considering most people crap 50K miles on a vehicle in 2-3 yrs it is pretty good.
September 17, 200916 yr All of the GMMG supercars were factory B4C cars that were sold to them directly for conversion. And a few new ones made it into private hands directly despite the "fleet only" policy.
September 17, 200916 yr All of the GMMG supercars were factory B4C cars that were sold to them directly for conversion. And a few new ones made it into private hands directly despite the "fleet only" policy. In English, please...'GMMG'? 'B4C'?
September 17, 200916 yr case in point are these 3 auctions. maroon 2002 b4c 63K miles 99 b4c 85K miles 2002 b4c 118K miles this one is higher but it has paint, an ss hood and is at 4300 so far with apparently no reserve.
September 17, 200916 yr Sorry 'bout that. B4C = Police spec Camaro GMMG = The Tuner company that built the 4th gen Camaro (and Firebird) supercars. The most notable being the LS7-powered ZL-1 version.
September 17, 200916 yr In English, please...'GMMG'? 'B4C'? B4C is Chevrolet's Special Equipment Options (SEO) code for a "Special Service" police package Camaro. The B4C package has heavier-duty (HD) features over a non-police vehicle as well as some options specific to the installation of police equipment. The Chevrolet Camaro B4C option has been available since 1991 when it was introduced. Some other Chevrolet vehicle models are designated by another SEO code, known as 9C1 for the Caprice, Tahoe, and Nova Police vehicles. HD features include oversized front and rear sway bars; high-output alternator; larger (in years after 1991) four-wheel disc brakes; separate engine, power steering and transmission oil coolers; certified 145 MPH speedometer. Most of the heavier duty option parts come from a combination of parts from both the regular Z28 and the racing and handling package of the special 1LE option list. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B4C GMMG is along the lines of SLP. its a performance company. they were responsible for the 69 2001 super camaros in honor of fred gibbs.
September 17, 200916 yr case in point are these 3 auctions. maroon 2002 b4c 63K miles That one has an interesting description...'purchased from CIA fleet'... the CIA?? Interesting...wonder what they used them for.
September 17, 200916 yr All I know is, PCS tends to have a pretty good track record when it comes to his posts.
September 17, 200916 yr All I know is, PCS tends to have a pretty good track record when it comes to his posts. He does except for the Opel thing. That one is playing out right now. He said GM was going to keep Opel, but it seems now Magna has it. I still will owe him apology if GM keeps Opel/Vauxhall. I was going to post this, but he beat me to it: EXCLUSIVE: Commodore cop cars for the US RICHARD BLACKBURN September 17, 2009 - 7:55AM General Motors says it is hopeful of winning a lucrative contract to supply re-badged Holden Commodores to US law enforcement agencies. By RICHARD BLACKBURN in Frankfurt. Holden could soon be exporting Commodores to the United States again. The company’s billion dollar export program ground to a halt at the end of last year after Holden’s parent company, General Motors, axed the Pontiac brand in the United States. Holden was selling re-badged Commodores as Pontiac G8s in the States. But in an exclusive interview with Drive.com.au at the Frankfurt motor show yesterday, General Motors boss Fritz Henderson said the company was making good progress with a plan to sell the Commodore to US law enforcement agencies. “We’ve been working on a package for police applications. I just think that’s going to work. We’re pretty optimistic about it and that product will be sourced in Australia,” he said. And he didn’t rule out a wider role for the car in General Motors’ plans going forward. “It’s a global architecture, it gives us options in the future but right now you’d say, near term, no,” he said. The law enforcement contract could prove lucrative for Holden, with some estimates suggesting the deal could involve tens of thousands of vehicles a year. Holden executives are believed to have been working on a proposal to sell the car to the Los Angeles Police Department. The LAPD is looking for a replacement for its fleet of ageing Ford Crown Victoria sedans, which will be discontinued next year. Other agencies, including the Canadian Mounties, are also believed to be showing interest. Holden remains tight-lipped on the subject, though says it has continued to look at alternative export plans. "Fritz [Henderson] is obviously intimately aware of Holden and our capabilities," says Holden spokesman Scott Whiffin. "It's fantastic to have this kind of endorsement from the guy in the big chair. "When the Pontiac deal fell through we said then it was a shame, it was a great car, but understood the reasons for it. And we said then we would get up, dust ourselves off, and find other opportunities. And that work has pretty much been going on since that [Pontiac G8 axing] was announced." Holden shipped 36,500 re-badged Commodores to the US last year - about two-thirds of the company's total exports and almost a third of its vehicle production. The deal was believed to be worth $1 billion. Holden has been searching for alternative export programs ever since, but in June GM shut the door on plans to revive the car as a Chevrolet Caprice. It was thought the GM plan to import cars from Australia to US enforcement agencies would meet with strong opposition from GM’s new owners, the unions and the Government, in light of the mass plant closures and job losses in the United States that followed the company’s filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. But senior GM exectuive Bob Lutz played down those fears in a blog on a company website in June this year. “While the large (rear-wheel-drive) cars may be made in Australia, they are an integral part of GM, contain US-built engines and transmissions and numerous other components, and are so ‘American’ in character that I don't believe the law enforcement agencies would have any problems with the assembly origin of the vehicle. Plus, they'll love it,” he said. If it comes off, the deal will be good news for workers at Holden’s Elizabeth plant in South Australia, which has been running at roughly half its capacity since the Pontiac deal ended. The company cut one of its plant shifts in May, with some workers put on week-on, week-off work arrangements to avoid redundancies. There will be a further boost to the plant from the end of next year, when Holden begins to build a small car at the plant. But despite the good news, Henderson said the engineering role Holden had in the General Motors organisation was likely to shrink. “It will be reduced from what it was, say five years ago, but it will still be a key role,” he said. Prior to the economic downturn and the focus on more fuel efficient vehicles, the Australian operation was the engineering hub for GM’s global rear-wheel-drive program.
September 17, 200916 yr So will can consumers get one? Will they badge it as anything? Or is this fleet only, if it is, I will be REALLY pissed. Unless you can get them out the back door, can a dealer do that?
September 18, 200916 yr start a 'security company' Can you really do that... And get around it? I have heard of people doing it but how does it work?
September 28, 200916 yr Why not use this car as the Impala??? The Impala sales are dead...People that want a front wheel drive sedan have the Malibu to choose from instead.
September 29, 200916 yr Author Why not use this car as the Impala??? The Impala sales are dead...People that want a front wheel drive sedan have the Malibu to choose from instead. How about a Cadillac replacement for the DTS 1st?
September 29, 200916 yr How about a Cadillac replacement for the DTS 1st? Cop cars are one thing, but do you think it's still possible Cadillac does a Zeta?
September 29, 200916 yr Cop cars are one thing, but do you think it's still possible Cadillac does a Zeta? Seems so. Much better idea than EP2.
September 29, 200916 yr Author Cop cars are one thing, but do you think it's still possible Cadillac does a Zeta? Yes, all things are possible now, and it should be based on the Sixteen and Eldorados from the late 60's ... Look at my avatar for inspiration ...
September 29, 200916 yr Yes, all things are possible now, and it should be based on the Sixteen and Eldorados from the late 60's ... Look at my avatar for inspiration ... All things are possible? How about a smaller, lighter Camaro, sooner rather than later? Cues based on the Sixteen and late '60's Eldo (my personal fav), would be great. But what happens to the EP2 XTS nearing completion?
September 29, 200916 yr Author All things are possible? How about a smaller, lighter Camaro, sooner rather than later? Cues based on the Sixteen and late '60's Eldo (my personal fav), would be great. But what happens to the EP2 XTS nearing completion? 6th generation is still on track, as far as the EP II, maybe Opel can sell it to the Russians or Canadians or Angela Merkel ... Edited September 29, 200916 yr by PCS
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