Some pics of the next HD

http://forums.pickuptruck.com/showflat.php...sb=5&o=&fpart=1

From what I can see the next gen. HD trucks look pretty cool.

Yaaayyy! A regular cab! Hopefully that means a regular cab, shortbed 2WD LT is in my future.

That truck seems to be GMC, by looking at the grill.

I see GM is back to the wimpy IFS (What the Hell), i thought they were going SFA on there new HD.

I see GM is back to the wimpy IFS (What the Hell), i thought they were going SFA on there new HD.

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This ain't the 70's anymore! IFS in trucks has come a very long way!!!

This ain't the 70's anymore!  IFS in trucks has come a very long way!!!

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Hell Jeep uses IFS.

Wimpy IFS? Just how many failures has GM had with it?? The Ford's SFA rides, drives and handles like ass if you ask me.

Wimpy IFS? Just how many failures has GM had with it?? The Ford's SFA rides, drives and handles like ass if you ask me.

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Fully agreed. SOME people in the dark still seem to have the perception that just because the front end is suspended by a big, heavy, clunky solid axle up front...that that is more durable and stronger than well-designed IFS.

Coming from an engineering perspective, it's certainly cheaper but no WAY is it better for 98% of the buyers and users. Most often, rides terrible, handles awful, and is just too damn clunky and antique to be worth anything.

And like you just said here, who's ever compained about failures GM has had with IFS on their trucks? Going back to a solid axle would just be a huge step back...PERIOD.

LOL! That regular cab looks tiny! The point of redesigned models is to OUT-DO each other in size! Hopefully I'm wrong but I saw no space behind those doors! And that Dodge Ram I was in was massively wide-something the GM trucks, last I sat in, were not.

The point of redesigned models is to OUT-DO each other in size!

and we saw where that got the Ford Excursion.

btw, wtf is ifs? :lol:

btw, wtf is ifs? :lol:

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IFS stands for Indepedent Front Suspension, SFA stands for Solid Front Axle! I for one would rather have GM stick with IFS in the HD's! It provides a better ride and it seperates GM from the competition.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_2.jpg - I saw this link on another web site. If you look down the drivers side of the truck (and count the number of lugs =8), and look at the underside of the truck, you can see the the A-arm as well as the rubber boot protecting the u-joint.

This may of been posted previously, but I felt it was important enough to share again.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_2.jpg - I saw this link on another web site. If you look down the drivers side of the truck (and count the number of lugs =8), and look at the underside of the truck, you can see the the A-arm as well as the rubber boot protecting the u-joint.

This may of been posted previously, but I felt it was important enough to share again.

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Different truck altoegether!!! This truck is ext. cab and the previous was a reg cab. and this truck has tow/haul mirrors.

Though I think these trucks will be "nice" looking, I have a feeling they're still going to lack any kind of real presence. Camo'd or not, you can't hide a very, very basic thin and boxy build. Again, nice and unoffensive, but not the least bit bold...at ALL. Just my observations and guess...

Coming from an engineering perspective, it's certainly cheaper but no WAY is it better for 98% of the buyers and users.  Most often, rides terrible, handles awful, and is just too damn clunky and antique to be worth anything.

Huh; I didn't realize 'too damned clunky' and 'antique' were "engineering terms"! ;)

Coming from an engineering perspective, it's certainly cheaper but no WAY is it better for 98% of the buyers and users.  Most often, rides terrible, handles awful, and is just too damn clunky and antique to be worth anything.

Huh; I didn't realize 'too damned clunky' and 'antique' were "engineering terms"! ;)

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Haha, you like my attempt at lamens terms? :rolleyes:

"Different truck altoegether!!! This truck is ext. cab and the previous was a reg cab. and this truck has tow/haul mirrors."

Ok Singlestylin simplton - yes you are right, but if you look at all the pictures in the series you will notice that all are 8-lug wheels(which is a good indacator of the HD or NON-HD status) . In pix 1 and 2 you can see the IFS very clearly.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_1.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_2.jpg

If you look at pix 3 and 4 we definatly see a regular cab pickup, but in #4 we can also see what appears to be a torsion bar(look closely).

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_3.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_4.jpg

And in pic 5 you see it as a regular cab, but by looking at the front end, you can also see the IFS and front u-joint. Which is what my previous post and point was.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_5.jpg

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"Different truck altoegether!!!  This truck is ext. cab and the previous was a reg cab.  and this truck has tow/haul mirrors."

Ok Singlestylin simplton - yes you are right, but if you look at all the pictures in the series you will notice that all are 8-lug wheels(which is a good indacator of the HD or NON-HD status) . In pix 1 and 2 you can see the IFS very clearly.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_1.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_2.jpg

If you look at pix 3 and 4 we definatly see a regular cab pickup, but in #4 we can also see what appears to be a torsion bar(look closely).

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_3.jpg
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_4.jpg

And in pic 5 you see it as a regular cab, but by looking at the front end, you can also see the IFS and front u-joint. Which is what my previous post and point was.

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/spy_truck_5.jpg

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Screw off pal... you don't know me so don't call me names!

As far as the truck goes... my point was simply that the two trucks were not the same truck. I agree that there is an A-arm in the photos and one/both is 4WD. You misunderstood my post... again don't call names.

Screw off pal... you don't know me so don't call me names!

As far as the truck goes... my point was simply that the two trucks were not the same truck.  I agree that there is an A-arm in the photos and one/both is 4WD.  You misunderstood my post... again don't call names.

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And BTW the last trucks had lateral stabilizers in the front end to give some torsions rigidity. Those appear to be on this model also and should not be confused or considered "torsion bars." Torsion bars were reserved for the SUVS, 4WD, and the newly made ext. cab short bed (the same bed found on the crews).

I have been working(not just driving) IFS Chevy trucks since '88 when they came out. Trust me, the IFS doesn't break. The only issue I have with it is that the Factory ride height is too low for snowplowing ( easily fixed by having the torsion bars adjusted a few turns to raise the ride height). Puts on Admin/Mod hat OH, and ease up on the name calling- no personal attacks allowed,Remember? Takes off said hat Otherwise can't tell much of value from these pics.

The biggest problem with the old trucks is that they are alot smaller than the other trucks, like the F-150 and Ram. It looks like GM fixed that problem.

It will probably have somewhere around 350hp and 650 ib/ft of torque for the 2500 model. And the vortex max engine is definetly going into select models. :)

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I have been working(not just driving) IFS Chevy trucks since '88 when they came out. Trust me, the IFS doesn't break. The only issue I have with it is that the Factory ride height is too low for snowplowing ( easily fixed by having the torsion bars adjusted a few turns to raise the ride height).

Camino LS6
I mean no disrespect but you must not work your GM trucks to hard. My grandfather started buying Chevrolet trucks in the late 40's because they were cheap and easy to fix. He built houses and Barns. I am the 3 gen of our family to build houses and beat the sh*t out of the best Damn Pick-ups in the world.
However IFS is junk, We have broke 2 of our 2500HD's the tulip joint will just snap off and the CV's also break. Mind you, this is usually under a hard beating pulling very heavy lumber trailers to remote building sites here in Colorado. I hope GM will build us a 3500HD with an indestructable dana 70 or 60 in the front. They should still build the chic trucks with the IFS you know for all the people that want the truck to ride like a car.
I asked my dad once when I was a kid why he didn't buy those really cool 1/2 ton girl chasers. He said to me "boy if I wanted a nice ride I would buy a Cadilac".
Both dad and grandpa retired and bought Cadilacs....


Thanks for lettin me vent fella's

BTW, If someone cares enough to show me how to post a picture I would show you pics of our HD's. We have installed Dana 60's in some of them. Now the front end don't break. Thanks again.

I see GM is back to the wimpy IFS (What the Hell), i thought they were going SFA on there new HD.

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I know the Ford I-beam bullshit sucks and snaps and breaks, hell I helped Sean weld one back togeather that had simply snapped with like 120K or 140K miles, don;t remember exactly but the milage was not THAT high and the Truck was from the early 90s.

Now since we're talking about GM< I'm damn sure they're capable of designing and building a solid IFS & IRS for that matter. Ever see this truck?

We've been using GM IFS trucks for years on the farm with no problems. And we put our trucks thru the ringer. If its not loaded down with at least a couple of thousand pounds at any given time, its not working hard enough:) We are on our 4th GM truck with 4x4 and IFS no problems so far :)

We've been using GM IFS trucks for years on the farm with no problems. And we put our trucks thru the ringer. If its not loaded down with at least a couple of thousand pounds at any given time, its not working hard enough:)

We are on our 4th GM truck with 4x4 and IFS no problems so far :)

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Brandon,
Farm Dudes do work there trucks hard, my best friends family has a farm in North Dakota and GM trucks are all they buy.
Here in Colorado I know Ford HD's out sell GM trucks becuase of the front ends.
I have had dudes ask me If I bought my HD with a DANA 60 front end in it. When I say we did it they say that if GM did a 3500HD with a SFA they would trade there Dodge or Ford for it.
IFS is for 1/2 tons