They might as well rename Saturn as Opel.

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I've thought the same thing on a couple occasions, and I have no problem with it!

Maybe that's why Mexico doesn't get Saturn... cuz they get all the Opels badged as Chevies instead.

You do know you can put two pics in one post, right? I came back thinking there was another post but it's just two posts with pics. Anyways, do any insiders know if this will have a four door version or at least a version with quad doors? I'm not sure families with babies are going to want to put them in the seats having to reach over the front seat.

Holy Moly!!! If that's the future of Saturn, I'm in! And even in general terms, if this is the kind of design we can expect out of GM in the near future, they have nothing to worry about. Absolutely gorgeous... a must-have!

Wow, great news. An extremely likable car that should have no problem selling. (Unless gas prices hit 10 bucks or something.) *knock on wood*

You do know you can put two pics in one post, right? I came back thinking there was another post but it's just two posts with pics.

Anyways, do any insiders know if this will have a four door version or at least a version with quad doors? I'm not sure families with babies are going to want to put them in the seats having to reach over the front seat.

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Quoting AH-HA, from this thread about the Antara...

Gee... that'd make a nice Vue. Well at least if you add two more doors.  http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

Edited September 13, 200519 yr by AAS

Thanks, I hadn't seen that. I'm hoping it gets the 2-door version as well, I just don't think it'd be a good idea to have JUST the 2-door version.

This vehicle has such a tightness to the design, it reeks of expensive, a faceted effect. This is just the sort of thing GM needs to be doing.

It looks sweet!! Just doesn't appear to have much utility.

I was really complaining about the SX3 not making it to the States as the Vue. I take it all back. The Antara rocks.

It looks like a Tonka toy!

Opel's coup at the IAA is the Antara GTC (Gran Turismo Crossover). With the concept study, Opel presents IAA visitors in Frankfurt a distinctively sporty interpretation of the SUV and of the dynamic Opel design language in this special vehicle format that shows just how dynamic and sporty an SUV can look today. The concept car was unveiled for the first time at the "GM Premiere Night" in the Bockenheimer Depot in Frankfurt in the presence of General Motors' top management. The Antara GTC features many innovative ideas in its interior and is powered by a 212 hp twin-turbo version of the 1.9 CDTI four-cylinder Opel engine, which ensures outstanding performance. Computer simulations show a top speed of over 210 km/h and acceleration from zero to 100 km/h in around eight seconds in combination with the six-speed automatic transmission.

Sigh. look at that powertrain. I bet it gets 40+ mpg Highway.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive...html?page=2&c=y

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Yep about what I was thinking when I first saw that spy photo of the GMC. I must say I am VERY interested in the 'sub theta' architecture. Also I notice that there seems to be some very coupe like lines in all but the GMC's roofline.

Could this GMC actually be a Hx? It seems to just be a clay so no telling.

I really doubt that GMC is a Hummer; the taillights aren't Hummer, and nothing about it says Hummer to me. It's a good sign that it has a 6-speed auto; I hope that diesel comes here; not because I'd buy it, but because it'd get even better mileage than the Escape Hybrid, and that's selling like hotcakes.

Norhtie the picture is of a clay model wrapped in foil it is known as a clown car or clown model. We all know how easy it is to change clay. Also who is to say that the GMC or the Hummer ever made it beyond the small model stage?

The next VUE is going to be identical to the Concept? Seriously? GM just went on record saying that. It's too good to be true. I seriously doubt that this will show up as a Saturn. Prove me wrong GM. Prove me wrong.

oops

Edited September 13, 200519 yr by Cadillacfan85

The next VUE is going to be identical to the Concept?  Seriously?  GM just went on record saying that.  It's too good to be true.  I seriously doubt that this will show up as a Saturn.  Prove me wrong GM.  Prove me wrong.

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It isn't 100% but it is about as close as the Aura concept was to the production, IMO.

Seriously you WON'T see side exhaust pipes.

saturn has a good reputation, it doesnt need to switch to being opel, something many americans have probably never heard of

Merged the post in Corporate with this one.

Think Uncle Bob reads us now? http://www.cheersandgears.com/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/AH-HA_wink.gif

So do we think the spy pic is the production Antara?

http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/tabl...l1125400893.jpg

So do we think the spy pic is the production Antara?

http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/tabl...l1125400893.jpg

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I think it's the four door version. The roofline looks a little different and not like a coupe as the concept does.

Lutz said we're getting this in production, so I'm at least holding him to his word that it will look exactly like this, whether it has 2 doors or quad doors.

That would make a great Saturn.

According to Carl-Peter Foster, the production Antara "will obviously not be exactly the same, the car will be slightly more functional, will have a little more space, but you can expect that you will see some of the design language, some of the design cues and the overall concept you can expect to see in the series production vehicle."

Please, please GM leave the beautiful interior alone. Please go back to being the trend setter.

Edited September 13, 200519 yr by Dsuupr

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the GMC a sub-Theta? If so, then it's smaller than this VUE, right?

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Not a 100% sure. Because of the composite construction of Theta being a hybrid BOF/Unibody I suspect the sub theta vehicle to be just short wheelbase thetas. But I do not know for certain yet.

But I do think that GMC photo in PM is legit and shot from design staff with a camera phone.

Hmmm, I wonder if an LS2 V8 would fit in the engine compartment-- paging Mr Mallet! I think it looks great- looks like my future with Saturn is going to be a bright one!

So do we think the spy pic is the production Antara?

http://autospy.dreamwiz.com/board/bbs/tabl...l1125400893.jpg

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It sure looks like it. And with four doors. :)

It looks sweet!! Just doesn't appear to have much utility.

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The production is sure to have more utility built in. The Infiniti FX that it mimicks alot of it's design of (especially in the roof, greenhouse, and stance) doesn't have the most utility, but it sells like hotcakes. The point is, Saturn (and more importantly GM) will be bring cars to the NA market that look premium and are desirable.

I highly doubt the side exhausts will go into production, unless less Lutz was serious that it will be produced exactly as is. I'm thinking he meant more like 95% as is with smaller wheels, different door handles, different roof (without the glass), and probably regular exhuast.

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Agreed. It'll be the same as with the Aura. The only things that'll change will be sensible things... conventional exhausts. Normal tires/wheels, a little less chrome, a little more utility. Normal roof, and probably two more doors (atleast to start). What we see though, is what we'll be getting in essence. :lol:

Here are some more pics from Autoweek (from the show):

Agreed.  It'll be the same as with the Aura.  The only things that'll change will be sensible things... conventional exhausts.  Normal tires/wheels, a little less chrome, a little more utility. Normal roof, and probably two more doors (atleast to start).  What we see though, is what we'll be getting in essence. :lol:

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It will not be "95%" like the Aura, but instead as with the Opel GTC Geneve > Opel Astra GTC. The concept is an exagerated version of the real car, although not so much as the G6 concept was. Except for the extra concept "bling" it will look basically the same, but key dimensions such as overall length, length and height will change, and consequently the proportions will be slightly different. The Antara will stay a three-door, which does not mean there won't be a five-door version, at least in Saturn form. If I understand the hints given previously a significantly different three-door version will be built in the US as a Chevy. For context the Antara is a little bigger than both the Rodeo Sport (three-door Frontera) and the last Blazer three-door.

I love it!

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To me it looks more like the Nissan Murano/infinity FX45. But I love the way it looks and I hope it makes it over as is. If so GM is on it's way back in the styling department as long as they do not water down anything.

Looks nice-I read on AutoWeek it would be built in Korea alongside the S3X. 3-door hardtop crossover SUV-nice idea-probably not totally feasible, but then again, no one 20 years ago could have seen a tall hatchback Mercedes-much less 2 or 3 of them. I hope Saturn does well with the next VUE.

Nice gallery of pics

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos.cfm/ph...008/opel/1.html

Hmm...

The back strikes me as being a hopped-up Crossfire. :unsure:

Those gauges are sweet! Futuristic, yet sort of retro at the same time.

Hmm...

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Hmmm....

Care of a GM employee discount commercial.

The GM employee discount pic looks like a GMT-900, looks nothing like the Opel concept.

If it's anything, I'd say the commercial pic looks like a sub-Theta of some sort, but it's hard telling.

Saab 9-3 combi?

Almost looks like the 9-3x

Edited September 18, 200519 yr by Ghost Dog

Saab 9-3 combi?

Almost looks like the 9-3x

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I would not read into the commercial picture. It is a scale clay model that is only about a foot or so long. The clay is actualy only a 1/2 vehicle sitting next to a mirror giving the ellusion that it is a full clay.

evok I know it is just a mock up but hey it does share some lines with the Antara.

Man, ditch the subaru and use this as your next rebadged SAAB SUV.........GM, take this advice!