1 hour ago, ykX said:

Family sedan big comparison from Motor Trend. No domestic manufacturer left in the segment.

It really makes no sense any longer to segregate sedans & CUVs from each other- they are 90% interchangable.
Especially with sedan sales falling off a cliff and CUVs replacing them.
 

1 hour ago, ykX said:

Family sedan big comparison from Motor Trend. No domestic manufacturer left in the segment.

Family-Sedan Comparison Test: 2021 Honda Accord vs. Camry, K5, Sonata, Altima, Legacy, and Mazda 6 (motortrend.com)

7th Place: Nissan Altima

We've seen what the new Nissan can do with the Sentra and Rogue. We hope the next Altima follows that path.

6th Place: Toyota Camry

In a segment known for blandness, the Camry conspicuously fails to bring anything spicier than a value proposition.

5th Place: Mazda 6

Once king of the segment, now resting on its laurels. The 6 continues to be the driver's car, but Mazda's failure to update it has kicked it off the podium.

4th Place: Hyundai Sonata

Hyundai continues its march of success, and the Sonata is proof of that. If its engineering can catch up to its looks, the Sonata will be sitting in the front row.

3rd Place: Subaru Legacy

It might be the shy kid in the class, but once you sit in the driver's seat, the Legacy will show its charm. A well-deserved podium finisher.

2nd Place: Kia K5

Once again, Kia has shown us what it's capable of. The K5 is the most recent example of what the Korean brand can accomplish.

1st Place: Honda Accord

The Accord raises the bar. Spacious, refined, roomy, elegant—it's the one we'd all buy. By unanimous decision, Honda took home the gold medal.

On the contrary, resale and the available V6 could sell me on the Camry, Altima is an easy target for people who don't like mainstream cars but it is vastly improoved, Mazda 6 has sublime handling, the Sonata is attractive and (non car geek people) people seem to just love Hyundai products. The Subaru was a really good AWD system. 

The Accord is not nearly as sporty, even in Sport trim as a Jetta GLI.  The Turbo 1.5 I don't think is going to be especially reliable long term, and again, talking with body shop people and my claims adjsuter daughter, the tubo 4 is easily damaged in accidents, frequently resulting in a total loss. 

For the price of a new Accord, one can buy a nearly new or CPO luxury sedan. 

Just playing contrarian. 

18 minutes ago, balthazar said:

It really makes no sense any longer to segregate sedans & CUVs from each other- they are 90% interchangable.
Especially with sedan sales falling off a cliff and CUVs replacing them.
 

Also, nothing in that segment is especially inspired. Jetta GLI is as close as anything gets to inspring. 

So inspring in fact that after considering the GLI hard, I bought a truck instead. 

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Classic Nissan, LAST. 

If only the rest of the product lineup was anywhere close to as inspired as the GTR

Couple of sexy well dressed men for those so inclined. 

Astonishingly creative and beautiful, Jacques Veserey made this in one of my online woodworking groops. Cool...

The bottom...

 

27 minutes ago, balthazar said:

It really makes no sense any longer to segregate sedans & CUVs from each other- they are 90% interchangable.
Especially with sedan sales falling off a cliff and CUVs replacing them.
 

Honda sold 200k Accords last year.  So the numbers are far from insignificant.  However, they do decline, in 2017 the sold like 320k of them.

2 minutes ago, ykX said:

Honda sold 200k Accords last year.  So the numbers are far from insignificant.  However, they do decline, in 2017 the sold like 320k of them.

It's still an amazing car. But one could rationalize a lot of other purhcase decisions. 

Norway:

 

57 Roadmaster. 

 

16 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

 

Couple of sexy well dressed men for those so inclined. 

 

A couple of sexy, well dressed men in their twilight of their years, singing the macarena joined by a couple of young, sexy well dressed men. 

 

30 minutes ago, ykX said:

Honda sold 200k Accords last year.  So the numbers are far from insignificant.  However, they do decline, in 2017 the sold like 320k of them.

Go back to 2014 and it was 388K. That's nearly a 50% drop. At this rate by 2027 it'll be down to 100K accords.

Meanwhile the CR-V is holding pretty steady in the mid-300K range in the same period.

On a side note, I guess I didn't realize Honda pulled the plug on the Element 10 years ago now.

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I have always been interested with this ship...a good watch. 

 

30 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

If only the rest of the product lineup was anywhere close to as inspired as the GTR

Couple of sexy well dressed men for those so inclined. 

...as the GT-R 13 years ago. It's been left on the clothes line to dry for a bit too long now. 

54 minutes ago, ykX said:

Honda sold 200k Accords last year.  So the numbers are far from insignificant.  However, they do decline, in 2017 the sold like 320k of them.

200k and vehicles that sold 200-300k each have been dropped from the segment(Fusion & Malibu).

200k looks pretty bad when you realize that, imo.  

I thought the Malibu kinda topped out in the 150-175K range...

18 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I thought the Malibu kinda topped out in the 150-175K range...

It was a segment leader in 1972....

Some very cool 1968 sketches on the GM instagram thread today.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CM2xA1YJGZt/

Hungarian-American designer Geza Loczi created these beautifully expressive sketches in 1968. Mr. Loczi worked at GM, VW and is currently a Design director at Volvo. A graduate of ArtCenter College, he taught Transportation Design from 1986-1996. From the GM Design Archive & Special Collections.⁠⠀

The very first sketch is right up @balthazar alley!

Course being that the sketches are all Olds auto's very much right up @oldshurst442 Alley for sure!

33 minutes ago, balthazar said:

I thought the Malibu kinda topped out in the 150-175K range...

I had to look it up myself. This is what I found. 

https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/chevrolet-malibu-sales-figures/

 

This video put a HUGE smile on my face regardless if Im not a Porsche guy to the fullest and Im not really into manual transmissions and Im embracing an all EV future.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvnJr82oULk

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10 hours ago, ccap41 said:

Classic Nissan, LAST. 

Yep. Thought the Malibu would still have been there....

10 hours ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Couple of sexy well dressed men for those so inclined. 

The prices look like 1965 while the men and the style look like 1975.  When was this ad first published?

Short sleeve dress shirts w/ ties and shorts...very strange.  Maybe a 70s Florida thing? 

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Short sleeve dress shirts w/ ties and shorts...very strange.  Maybe a 70s Florida thing? 

Want to say an 80s thing?

7 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Short sleeve dress shirts w/ ties and shorts...very strange.  Maybe a 70s Florida thing? 

Per the text of the ad, color is spelled colour.  I'm betting this ad was directed at Canadians or, since they use the dollar as well, maybe at Australians or New Zealanders.  These guys don't look very "American" to me.

On 3/25/2021 at 2:56 PM, A Horse With No Name said:

Very interesting ... I wonder where this "very" pink photos is ... thinking Savannah, Charleston, or other historic Southern coastal cities.

Good on him or her.  They snagged the right license plate sequence for that Riv.  These used to hurt my eyes but, now, when I do see them, I appreciate them and that people are taking care of these polarizing vehicles.

The Chevy ad was probably in the San Diego Tribune.  El Cajon Blvd.  The price makes sense, in a way.  The barebones Maverick was introduced for $ 1,999, I think.  But, look at what you started out with:  a 170 c.i. inline 6, a "3 on the tree," nasty plaid bench seats, hubcaps, and no carpeting.  With this one, it's more, but you got an automatic transmission (Power Glide), probably a V8, and trim items like buckets/console and wheel covers/WSW tires.

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^ After the initial year ('62), all Impala SS's were V8s. In '63, that started with the 283, went thru numerous 327s, a couple of 409s and a 427. SS package has a lot of unique trim & details, also.

On 3/26/2021 at 10:03 AM, A Horse With No Name said:

Couple of sexy well dressed men for those so inclined. 

Looks very Bahama or Caribbean style to me for the 60's or 70's.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

^ After the initial year ('62), all Impala SS's were V8s. In '63, that started with the 283, went thru numerous 327s, a couple of 409s and a 427. SS package has a lot of unique trim & details, also.

There was a 283 V8 in my parents' driveway at some point.

I know that they were very good engines.  I'm not sure if the 307 and the327 used either the same bore OR stroke.  It also seemed that the 307 skipped over Impala/Caprice and was slotted into Malibu/Chevelle.  I'm not sure.

So, it's funny that 307 c.i. worth of displacement shows up again, in 5.0 liter form and as an Oldsmobile small block V8, in the early '80s, and possibly the late '70s.  And turned out to be such a great engine that it was chosen to power top of the line Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham et. al. just like a TBI Olds 350 V8 was chosen to power the first Cadillac Seville.  I love that "family" of engines.

Edited March 27, 20214 yr by trinacriabob

I don't pay much 'engine attention' to Chevys, so I would have to look up the specs, but 283-327 are the same family. 307 I couldn't say. 307 definitely was available in the full-size Chevys, too.

It's not that it was a "great" engine so they put it in the Fleetwood for a bit, it's that Cadillac would rather have an engine association with an upper Division like Olds, rather than the entry-level Division of Chevrolet. Once the Olds V8 was gone, Cadillac went right over to the 'Chevy' V8 line.

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Have been watching some older 80s NASCAR races...wish I could find some older ones!

Atlanta, 1956 : 

This air traffic controller is an asshole, should be fired. No way to act when people's lives are on the line. 

 

 

 

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Seems like I missed quite the evening.....

3 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

 

Which then leads to either Barry White or Rick Astley ...

 

Nothing wrong with a little Barry White.....

 

From where my son is hiking Saturday, snow will be gone but...

 

https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/washington/granite-creek-trail--2?ref=header

 

oh look, the server bill just came in.... I guess I’ll have to decide if I want to pay it anymore if fucking adults can’t act like adults.

Do it. Pull the plug. 

1 hour ago, ccap41 said:

Do it. Pull the plug. 

I did... I pulled yours for the next 5 days. 

 

Edit: Because you are still doing it... I made it 7.

While not about auto's, this video does have me cracking up as I love our multi-Cultural world. So fun seeing how people behave in the US when they come here from China and are talked to in their own language by a white guy.

 

Because the songs didnt need to suffer the same fate.  

I love these sings anyhow.

 

 

 

 

Thoughts of the Fontainebleau, and its environs, randomly go through my head from time to time ...