Just now, dfelt said:

So between compact and sub compact we get semi-sub compact? ?‍♂️

?

Sort of like how in Europe they have supermini cars between subcompact and compact.   It sounds like Ford's plan to add many new CUVs and SUVs.

The Ecosport is so attractive, not surprised this looks just as good.  Almost as hot as the Trax.

 

 

I like the looks of the new Escape pictured in the spy shots, but I would be in the demographic for a Maverick by far.  I moaned and cried when the current Escape came out because I thought the previous one looked truckier, which is what I prefer in my faux SUV.

God but I do hate that one dude Rachel Maddow.  I love to watch her smug pre-election videos and laugh.

P-61

15 hours ago, balthazar said:

Very strange..wonder why the street is so much lower than the buildings..

2 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Very strange..wonder why the street is so much lower than the buildings..

Seattle was massively & extensively regraded in the early 20th Century- the old street used to be up where the building was. Engineers moved on the order of 50 million cubic yards of material and razed a lot of buildings for a number of reason (filling the tidepools at the water edge, enxtending available land, aiding water lines coming into the city, lessening grades, etc. Pretty amazing operation.

 

"Why is it thirty-nine thousand dollars?  You can get a truck for that!"  - mother's wisdom when looking at a Bolt Monroney.  Always listen to mother.

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by ocnblu
LOL

I phoquing love those JEEPS!!!  

5 minutes ago, ocnblu said:

Bolt Mulroney

 Bolt Mulroney?

 

Canada's former Prime Minister could be bought for  only 39 grand?

Boy, Airbus got screwed on that deal I tell ya!!!

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by oldshurst442

[Jeep video]
There were some Marmon-Herrington 4x4 conversions on my COE's generation model- with the 'granny' low and the ridiculous gearing (5.83/8.11) it would be interesting to see one rock crawl.
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Edited January 6, 20197 yr by balthazar

2 hours ago, oldshurst442 said:

I phoquing love those JEEPS!!!  

 Bolt Mulroney?

 

Canada's former Prime Minister could be bought for  only 39 grand?

Boy, Airbus got screwed on that deal I tell ya!!!

Monroney, I think.  I’ve read dealer window stickers referred to by that name.  

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by Robert Hall

Always sucks when someone smacks your brand new Equinox with their mirror...

50 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Monroney, I think.  I’ve read dealer window stickers referred to by that name.  

Yes. Yes.  

Monroney=window sticker

Mulroney=Prime Minister that could be bought...he was a lawyer after all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by oldshurst442

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

[Jeep video]
There were some Marmon-Herrington 4x4 conversions on my COE's generation model- with the 'granny' low and the ridiculous gearing (5.83/8.11) it would be interesting to see one rock crawl.
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Was that a rendering of an Oldsmobile Toronado to look like a Cadillac?

Or, was the Eldorado supposed to look like that, but Oldsmobile said "Hey!  That should be the Toronado!!!"   (And then, something horrible went wrong...)

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by oldshurst442

19 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Yes. Yes.  

Monroney=window sticker

Mulroney=Prime Minister that could be bought...he was a lawyer after all.

 

And also Dermott Mulroney, American actor.

And not Muldowney, as in Shirley, retired American drag racer.

Edited January 6, 20197 yr by Robert Hall

Irish laundry company, in business until 1987 (tho this pic is apparently from the '40s). Electric vans. There's a Wiki entry on it :

46 minutes ago, balthazar said:

Irish laundry company, in business until 1987 (tho this pic is apparently from the '40s). Electric vans. There's a Wiki entry on it :

Electric vehicle Nazis.  Perfect sum-up.

On 1/4/2019 at 5:25 PM, frogger said:

The Ecosport is so attractive, not surprised this looks just as good.  Almost as hot as the Trax.

 

 

You need serious help if this is not sarcasm

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Irish laundry company, in business until 1987 (tho this pic is apparently from the '40s). Electric vans. There's a Wiki entry on it :

 

2 hours ago, balthazar said:

Irish laundry company, in business until 1987 (tho this pic is apparently from the '40s). Electric vans. There's a Wiki entry on it :

Still more attractive Ecosport or Trax.

You guys realize where the new Silverado got its fender swoosh, RIGHT?

Maybe that swoosh dates back to these guys?

(the 1959 is more of a straight line)

(the 1960 is more of a crease going from the top fender to the back making itself into the wing)

(and the 1961 is more like a swoosh, that leads up to the back. I think I like the 1961 representation the best of all of them!)

 

1 hour ago, oldshurst442 said:

Maybe that swoosh dates back to these guys?

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You may be overthinking this, the fender crease is as it is just to look different from the Sierra.

40 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

 

You may be overthinking this, the fender crease is as it is just to look different from the Sierra.

Yeah. You may be right. 

The Silverado does seem to have a nice side profile, though.  I like that swoosh on it. Too bad the front end is all roided up to hell...

If you gonna do a swoosh, you might as well do a swoosh (or several of them)...that LeSabre concept wears them loud and proud! 

 

 

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by oldshurst442

LOL- I actually randomly posted the LeSabre shot, didn't even 'see' the swoosh as related to the convo.
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Some of my wife's motley cousins :

On 1/4/2019 at 4:15 PM, Robert Hall said:

Given Ford's new focus on CUVs, it wouldn't surprise me that they would go with something mainstream in addition to the Baby Bronco..

Yeah, I wouldn't doubt that either. I would hope for their sake they have a nice new universal platform for these.

"The US Government is so big and so vast, that if you leave it alone, it would cover itself up."
~ U.S. Army Colonel Phillip Corso (ret)

On 1/4/2019 at 10:28 PM, balthazar said:

Why?   Galveston?

14 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Why?   Galveston?

LOL, I wondered the same then when he mentioned the regrade of Seattle, it dawned on me that when Seattle had their great fire, the city decided to fill in the wet lands and spread out and with that they removed many hills / small mountains and leveled the city. The building in that pic and many others like it were destroyed for the complete leveling of the city which is now the Pioneer Square area and SODO area of Seattle, the south end of the city.

Yet another electric pickup, this one promising a 500 mile range and 35k lb towing capacity.  Hadn't heard of Atlis yet.

https://insideevs.com/video-atlis-xt-electric-pickup-truck-500-mile-range/?fbclid=IwAR3R-S2R46KWb5YHQWRI4gyKev_7H7VXc6ITWTwrqEr28ogfWfg_1MNUoMk\

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by Robert Hall

15 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Yet another electric pickup, this one promising a 500 mile range and 35k lb towing capacity.  Hadn't heard of Atlis yet.

https://insideevs.com/video-atlis-xt-electric-pickup-truck-500-mile-range/?fbclid=IwAR3R-S2R46KWb5YHQWRI4gyKev_7H7VXc6ITWTwrqEr28ogfWfg_1MNUoMk\

That Rock's, I love the look of this pickup and the fact unlike Rivian that they made a fold down door for the FRUNK. This way it has very easy access into the storage area.

http://www.atlismotorvehicles.com/ 

 

Love the interior, this should be a wake up call to the Detroit Legacy OEMs.

A center-mounted digital touch screen will serve as the hub for vehicle settings, heating and cooling, and infotainment with Apple Carplay and Android Auto. Use its physical rotary knob to make fast commands and quickly change settings.

The dash instrumentation will be a multi-split digital touch screen displaying all live vehicle information, including live video feeds from the standard driver assistance cameras.

The unique UI behind the wheel ensures the user is in complete control and allows for various customization. This creates a personal connection as you will be able to create an aesthetic you want.

@balthazar You should love the bed options.

Loving the looks of this Truck!

Like their thinking, be interested to see if they hit their 2020 production start goal.

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With our subscription service, all routine maintenance will be covered, and the warranty will last at least the duration of the subscription.

Here is the Atlis website...first I'd heard of them.   Looks like it's an American company, some of the leadership team has past auto industry experience.   There is a pic of the rear--the taillights, tailgate and rear bumper reminds of an early 90s F150.

http://www.atlismotorvehicles.com

Sharp looking from the back too!

5 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

Here is the Atlis website...first I'd heard of them.   Looks like it's an American company, some of the leadership team has past auto industry experience.   There is a pic of the rear--the taillights, tailgate and rear bumper reminds of an early 90s F150.

http://www.atlismotorvehicles.com

Their designer has his own web site and I have to say I love his take on a futuristic Wrangler or what he calls the Longnose.

https://www.macchinadesign.com/

 

4 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Sharp looking from the back too!

Very retro from behind.

Another EV concept.. 

I'll wait to be excited until they actually produce them. 35k towing capacity? Yeah, right. 

1 minute ago, ccap41 said:

Another EV concept.. 

I'll wait to be excited until they actually produce them. 35k towing capacity? Yeah, right. 

You can also get it in a Dually configuration. Reservation are being taken as Production is Q1 of 2020 to start.Future excitement is good, when have we really seen revolutionary change out of Detroit?

2 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Another EV concept.. 

I'll wait to be excited until they actually produce them. 35k towing capacity? Yeah, right. 

Does seem a bit high, but then again electric motors can be quite torquey...  

It's another company that's all smoke and mirrors until there's a product on the road owned by anybody who isn't on the board. 

Anybody can take preorders and never return the cash once the company $h!s the bed. 

18 minutes ago, dfelt said:

You can also get it in a Dually configuration. Reservation are being taken as Production is Q1 of 2020 to start.Future excitement is good, when have we really seen revolutionary change out of Detroit?

Tesla.. Where have you been? 

26 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Another EV concept.. 

I'll wait to be excited until they actually produce them. 35k towing capacity? Yeah, right. 

Love to know the range towing 35K....yeah right indeed. 

11 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

It's another company that's all smoke and mirrors until there's a product on the road owned by anybody who isn't on the board. 

Anybody can take preorders and never return the cash once the company $h!s the bed. 

Tesla.. Where have you been? 

True, anyone can take money but then Tesla was in this place many years ago, they got people excited and have a very loyal following.

As stated Detroit, Tesla never has been part of Detroit and Tesla DOES NOT build a full size Pickup Truck.

Gotta admit this truck looks even better than Rivians pickup truck and does address the 5.5 ft bed as Atlast offers in 6.5 ft or 8 ft along with Dually option which is what allows the High Gooseneck towing of 35,000lbs.

4 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

Love to know the range towing 35K....yeah right indeed. 

Per their own website based on configuration of battery pack and single wheel or dually you have the following very realistic figures:

TRAILER HITCH TOWING CAPABILITIES (lbs):

5,000

10,000

15,000

20,000

FIFTH WHEEL AND GOOSENECK TOWING CAPABILITIES (lbs GCWR):

Single rear wheel

10,000

25,000

Dually rear wheel

15,000

30,000

20,000

35,000

PAYLOAD CAPABILITIES (lbs)

1,000

2,000

3,500

5,000

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With air springs and an independent rear suspension, the Atlis Motor Vehicles ensures that heavy loads are properly leveled, while providing the utmost in ride comfort.

• Standard: Air spring with dynamic load damping and 12-inches of ground clearance

• Optional: Off-road long travel suspension with 15-inches of ground clearance
  * Off-road long travel suspension unavailable with higher towing and payload options

These guys have all worked in the auto industry and bring a ton of real life experience to this start up.

Tesla didn't introduce a 100% concept until they had their feet under them slightly with some brand recognition.

Remember, their first vehicle was a modified Lotus crammed with batteries and motors. 

Who in their right mind drops 100k on a fully electric HD truck? There's no way the 35k towing/5000lb payload is going to be even close to "affordable" for 99% of the people in the market for an HD truck. 

8 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Tesla didn't introduce a 100% concept until they had their feet under them slightly with some brand recognition.

Remember, their first vehicle was a modified Lotus crammed with batteries and motors. 

Who in their right mind drops 100k on a fully electric HD truck? There's no way the 35k towing/5000lb payload is going to be even close to "affordable" for 99% of the people in the market for an HD truck. 

Ford HD Platinum is $100,000 and they are selling those diesels, so a person who wants to be green will love having a 500 mile range HD pickup that is silent electric.

10 minutes ago, dfelt said:

Ford HD Platinum is $100,000 and they are selling those diesels, so a person who wants to be green will love having a 500 mile range HD pickup that is silent electric.

Ford HD Platinum has earned their brand recognition of a work horse. They have earned their right to price them at 100k. 

Well, this company will successfully sell 3 trucks. 

100k truck market, HD market, green market. They've successfully narrowed the market down so small. 

FWIW, a fully loaded F450 Limited is 90k before adding the ticky tack add-ons. 

Getting a strong SIlverado vibe off the front : busy with an Eastwood glare.

This one does look better than the Rivian (which I don't hate the looks of but it's certainly not 'trucky'). Relatively easy these days to build a one-off and get tons of press/free advertising... but as usual we'll have to wait & see it they build any; Faraday was founded 4.5 years ago and still nothing.

As far as the rear end goes- there's only so much design can do when there's a uber-important tailgate involved.

Strong Camaro vibe to the front end. 

So my sister's Trax is done w/ the repairs and ready to go (been in the dealer's auto body shop since getting rear ended early in December).   Insurance paid for everything beyond the deductible.    She's been driving the Cadillac, and it has a new anomaly...the heater won't blow out the dash vents or under dash...defroster still works.   Good thing the seat heater still works and it hasn't been excessively cold yet...

The "Jaws" series marathon was on this weekend.  I caught the second half of the first one, which I'd already seen several times.  Much better to have a 007 marathon.

I thought about this before and thought about it more this time.

Is a shark wired to be that vindictive to want to come around repeatedly and raise hell?  As in the constant pounding of the fishing vessel "Orca?" 

In videos in which people are aboard a boat, they'll breach further out or they'll come above the surface if people have thrown food scraps into the water, but I've never heard of their becoming obsessed with a boat and its passengers.  If someone is inside a shark cage that's under the surface, they may keep coming around but, even then, they might not stick around indefinitely.

Edited January 7, 20197 yr by trinacriabob

Dfelt, bruh... are you being serious with that HD pickup electric BS?  Please tell me you're being sarcastic.  PLEASE.

3 hours ago, ocnblu said:

Dfelt, bruh... are you being serious with that HD pickup electric BS?  Please tell me you're being sarcastic.  PLEASE.

Nope, The future is looking at ya buddy.