March 27, 20178 yr Honda was hoping to surprise us all with the power figures of the upcoming Civic Si, but part of the surprise has been spoiled. A member of the CivicX forum posted an email from Honda saying the Civic Si would boast 192 pound-feet of torque from a turbocharged 1.5L four. This number was confirmed by a Honda representative to Road & Track. Compared to the outgoing Si's naturally-aspirated 2.4L engine, the new engine produces 18 more pound-feet (174 vs. 192). We still have questions for the upcoming Civic Si. What is the horsepower rating for the Civic Si? Also, does all of the torque arrive on the low end or high end of the rpm band? We'll hopefully have answers in the near future. Source: CivicX, Road & Track View full article
March 27, 20178 yr Still Ugly Probably will have torque at the low end up to a point where you have to killer rev it to get all the HP and Torque like 10K. No big deal but I am sure the ricer fans will love it!
March 28, 20178 yr I like it. the exterior is weird, but i love the interior. I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates). I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline. Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive. i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential. Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive. That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform. Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle.
March 30, 20178 yr On 3/28/2017 at 8:16 AM, Stew said: I like it. the exterior is weird, but i love the interior. I got this email like last Thursday (yes, I am signed up for updates). I am going to guess 210 or so on the HP and it should pull pretty well from low rpm to redline. Considering the current normal 1.5T is as quick, or quicker, than the last Si, this should be a pretty fun little drive. i also like that it comes with a real limited slip differential. Also, a ricer is one who does body mods on base models with no real performance upgrades, this thing is going to have a little fire in it's bell and be fun to drive. That said, I am certainly wishing VW does a next gen bug on the MQB platform. Not holding my breath, but that with a 2.0T and GTi tuning would be my next vehicle. VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911.
March 31, 20178 yr 19 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said: VW needs to make the Beetle RWD and rear-engined again!! A mini-911. RWD AWD or me haha. Love that idea, make it a real Halo car for VW. I just wonder what could with the styling? i think the current model has the perfect Beetle vibe and even has real good room inside for it's small size.
April 4, 20178 yr This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline.
April 4, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said: This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline. That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. Edited April 4, 20178 yr by Frisky Dingo
April 4, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, Guest AsianPersuasion said: This is a winner for Honda, and torque is not as important as we think in a car like this. I love revving my engines to redline. Just enjoy watching the taillights of American and German auto's while you rev your tin fart can engine.
April 4, 20178 yr A Turbo 4 should still have the torque low in the RPM band. Even my weak 1.4T gets all of its 138 ft-lb at around 1700 rpm.... but that's all the torque you ever get. If the Civic 1.5T gets it's peak torque anywhere near that, it should feel plenty fast.
April 7, 20178 yr It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates, had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. It also could come with AWD and was lighter This is progress? For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price. I guess I just expected something more special.
April 7, 20178 yr 4 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said: It didn't hit me till tonight why I'm so "meh" about this car. A 1996 Eagle Talon, a car a mere 5 years away from being eligible for classic plates, had 210 HP and 220 lb-ft of torque with only half a liter more displacement. It also could come with AWD and was lighter This is progress? For a more modern perspective, the Verano Turbo or Cobalt SS blow away the Civic SI on power for about the same price. I guess I just expected something more special. I never ever thought of that. About the Eagle Talon... I refrained from commenting because I really had no idea what opinion to have about this latest Civic. Now, thanx to your insight, I have my opinion. Yeah...Im not into this car.
April 7, 20178 yr On 4/4/2017 at 7:30 AM, Frisky Dingo said: That's good, because you'll have to rev it out to keep sight of the GTI gapping you in the next lane. the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet... at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot.
April 12, 20178 yr On 4/6/2017 at 8:52 PM, FAPTurbo said: the only thing a GTI gaps is its owner's wallet... at least the honda has a comfy interior to haul stranded vee dub drivers to the nearest tow depot. Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too.
April 13, 20178 yr 16 hours ago, Frisky Dingo said: Lol, the MK7's interior shames anything with a Honda badge on it. I think you missed the boat on your reliability joke by about a decade, too. While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks. My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles.
April 13, 20178 yr 3 hours ago, ykX said: While this Si does nothing to me and I admit that GTI most likely will be a much better car, VW reliability still sucks. My coworker just last year had to pay $3k to replace turbo on his Jetta, car had less then 100k miles. So?? You know how many Ford EcoBoosts, Hyundai turbo-4's, and GM Ecotec's I've seen that need a new turbo?? Tons. You could literally say this about just about ANY brand that makes turbocharged engines.
April 13, 20178 yr @Frisky Dingo You can argue as much as you want but there is a reason why VW put 6 years/72k miles warranty on their new crossovers. Even Hyundai/Kia has smaller warranty now. I doubt VW would do it if they had people's trust in their product. Edited April 13, 20178 yr by ykX
April 13, 20178 yr 4 hours ago, ccap41 said: No question I would risk German reliability over the Si. Clarify?
April 13, 20178 yr 3 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said: Clarify? I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ).
April 13, 20178 yr 5 minutes ago, ccap41 said: I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ). Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days.
April 13, 20178 yr 28 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said: Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days. Even if it is average German parts cost more and its more difficult finding a place to work on them. Edited April 13, 20178 yr by ccap41
April 13, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, ccap41 said: I would risk buying the German(known for iffy or at least very pricey repairs) made GTI over the Si(Hondas are known for their reliability - lol ). 54 minutes ago, Frisky Dingo said: Gotcha. Poor reliability from VW is such a worn-out cliche at this point. Their statistical reliability is at worst average for the industry these days. JD Powers Listing interesting comparison of 2017 to 2016 list. 2017 2016 Top three models per segment (in order of fewest issues) Small car Chevrolet Sonic Nissan Versa Compact car Toyota Prius Buick Verano (tie) Honda Civic (tie) Compact Premium Car Lexus ES Mercedes-Benz C-Class Acura ILX Midsize Car Toyota Camry Chevrolet Malibu Hyundai Sonata Midsize Sporty Car Chevrolet Camaro Ford Mustang Midsize Premium Car Lexus GS Mercedes-Benz E-Class Audi A7 Large Car Toyota Avalon Buick LaCrosse Kia Cadenza Small SUV Volkswagen Tiguan Buick Encore Hyundai Tucson Compact MPV Toyuta Prius V Kia Soul Compact SUV Toyota FJ Cruiser Chevrolet Equinox GMC Terrain Compact Premium SUV Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class Acura RDX Volvo XC60 Midsize Pickup Honda Ridgeline Nissan Frontier Midsize SUV Toyota Venza Ford Edge (tie) Honda Pilot (tie) Midsize Premium SUV Lexus RX Lexus GX Porsche Cayenne Minivan Toyota Sienna Chrysler Town & Country Dodge Grand Caravan Large SUV Chevrolet Tahoe GMC Yukon Large Light Duty Pickup Ford F-150 Toyota Tundra Chevrolet Silverado (tie) Ram 1500 (tie) Large Heavy Duty Pickup Chevrolet Silverado HD GMC Sierra HD Ford Super Duty
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