Whoa!  Didn’t know the Compass got an interior redo for 22!  This is a game changer!  Why does anyone even look at GM stuff anymore? Nice interior!

Edited November 11, 20214 yr by regfootball

But, it does suck that their doesn’t seem to be the turbo four option here ; grrrrrr

14 hours ago, regfootball said:

Pre-stretched leather seats: 

Why is there a 'boot' around an automatic shifter??

It looks nicer than hard plastic.

Edited November 12, 20214 yr by ccap41

I have a strong dislike for them- hard to clean / have no purpose. 
I don't find them to look nicer, either.

Leather/pleather looks sooooo much better than hard plastics, IMO. 

OK, but there's other treatments than just 'hard plastic'.

10 minutes ago, balthazar said:

OK, but there's other treatments than just 'hard plastic'.

Such as?

13 minutes ago, balthazar said:

OK, but there's other treatments than just 'hard plastic'.

Do go on, please... 

Metal, wood, glass maybe, I dunno. You guys have seen other treatments, right?

I have a car with a console-shift automatic, it has chrome & American Walnut around the shifter. :shrug:

just roll with the classsic gm t bar!!!! Yup ? 
 

 

18 hours ago, balthazar said:

Metal, wood, glass maybe, I dunno. You guys have seen other treatments, right?

Not in the class of vehicles the Compass currently occupies. It's always cheap plastic or leather boots. I'm with ccap. I'll take the boot over the cheap looking plastic. 

 

And I'm guessing your car is something from a different decade?

9 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I'm guessing your car is something from a different decade?

Yes, of course.

Why can't something like this (immediately around the shifter) be done instead of whatever 20-yr old moon-pod Chevy shifter ccap posted above; I'd take this in a heartbeat over a 'leather' boot' : 

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by balthazar

Here's a ferrari, with it's infamous gated shifter. Yeah- it's a manual- irrelevant. Yeah, it still doesn't look great (ferrari's aren't known for even marginally nice interiors), but it's better than the floppy, crumb-catcher vinyl boot (automatic OR manual).

So do a gated automatic- they're all 'by-wire' now so the pattern isn't mechanics-dependent, and come up with something better.

1 hour ago, balthazar said:

Yes, of course.

Why can't something like this (immediately around the shifter) be done instead of whatever 20-yr old moon-pod Chevy shifter ccap posted above; I'd take this in a heartbeat over a 'leather' boot' : 

Ok, except for the disgusting carbon fiber...hate the look of that shit, real or faux.  And no cup holders, so not very usable.

With a modern automatic, I see no reason for a big shifter, I like the dial approach as seen on the new GC and Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. 

 

Edited November 13, 20214 yr by Robert Hall

8 hours ago, regfootball said:

just roll with the classsic gm t bar!!!! Yup ? 
 

 

 

Celebrity!!!

  My dad's '86 was a column shift with a real bench seat in the front. ie: One piece bench and the entire front seat moved forwards and backwards.   

Good times with that bench seat!!!    ?     

 

I kinda prefer the dial shifter nowadays and NO CARBON FIBRE trim!!!  

Like @Robert Hall, I HATE THAT SHYTE TOO!!! 

4 hours ago, balthazar said:

Here's a ferrari, with it's infamous gated shifter. Yeah- it's a manual- irrelevant. Yeah, it still doesn't look great (ferrari's aren't known for even marginally nice interiors), but it's better than the floppy, crumb-catcher vinyl boot (automatic OR manual).

So do a gated automatic- they're all 'by-wire' now so the pattern isn't mechanics-dependent, and come up with something better.

You act like crumbs don't get down inside there or any other plastic ladened shifter. Newsflash. My Flex was terrible for that kind of stuff getting into the crevices around the shifter area. They do and they are even harder to clean than a simple boot area. Ive had any problem keeping mine clean. Guess it boils down to personal preference but lets not act like the other styles aren't a pain the ass to keep clean either.

4 hours ago, balthazar said:

Yes, of course.

Why can't something like this (immediately around the shifter) be done instead of whatever 20-yr old moon-pod Chevy shifter ccap posted above; I'd take this in a heartbeat over a 'leather' boot' : 

See my above post. Those crevices around the shifter area are not going to be fun area to get clean and free of debris. I don't even know why this is even a discussion, to be honest with you but since you brought it up then I figured it was fair game to point out your choices are also a pain in the ass to keep clean and there is simply no way that you will convince me otherwise. 

Edited November 14, 20214 yr by surreal1272

3 hours ago, surreal1272 said:

You act like crumbs don't get down inside there or any other plastic ladened shifter. Newsflash. My Flex was terrible for that kind of stuff getting into the crevices around the shifter area.

[typical surreal driving conditions : ]
 

13 hours ago, regfootball said:

just roll with the classsic gm t bar!!!! Yup ? 
 

 

 

 

 

GM sure loves the T BAR!!!

 

6 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

Ok, except for the disgusting carbon fiber...hate the look of that shit, real or faux.  And no cup holders, so not very usable.

With a modern automatic, I see no reason for a big shifter, I like the dial approach as seen on the new GC and Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer. 

 

 

the integration of the dial shifter on the newest Jeeps is really done nicely....but after two Pacificas with dial shifters (which work nicely but don't really feel natural to use like a regular pull it back shifter) I think I really appreciate my booted shifter in my TourX.  Simple, classic.  Maybe a bit big.

 

 

 

The new Rogue has a little mini shifter, I want to try one of those out.

 

 

So does the Volvo XC40....

 

Not sure if I am a fan of the 'finger shifters' like in the new Envision....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 14, 20214 yr by regfootball

15 hours ago, balthazar said:

[typical surreal driving conditions : ]
 

Nope. Not at all. The very few times I ever had to eat (like when I traveled across country), those few crumbs would get into the hard to reach places around the heat shifter. My bigger point, in case you missed it, is that a leather boot area around the shifter would have been far easier to clean. 
 

For the record, I was known as the Cookie Monster for years growing up. 

a-HA!! NAILED IT!!! ?

I understand your experience, it hasn't been mine however. One I cleaned on occasion had deep folds at the base, made it tough (wife's previous '09 Malibu).

Edited November 14, 20214 yr by balthazar

Don't have to worry about any shifter boot/area cleaning when you have buttons. I've, surprisingly, loved this design. 

I like buttons, too.  
 

I kind of like the old school column shift automatic also.. 

On 11/13/2021 at 10:24 AM, regfootball said:

 

Look at that, t-shifter, full instruments, and manual windows!  Boo to the strip speedo.

As for the Jeep photos, that's a nice spread of them @regfootball.  "Oil change showroom time" ... ain't that the truth.

As for the vehicle, up-market fit and finish, "boxier" looking bucket seats (which I like), but obnoxious infotainment center (TOO much).

With all this talk of different shifter possibilities, no one remembered to mention the trestle shifter?  I love these:

21 minutes ago, trinacriabob said:

Look at that, t-shifter, full instruments, and manual windows!  Boo to the strip speedo.

As for the Jeep photos, that's a nice spread of them @regfootball.  "Oil change showroom time" ... ain't that the truth.

As for the vehicle, up-market fit and finish, "boxier" looking bucket seats (which I like), but obnoxious infotainment center (TOO much).

With all this talk of different shifter possibilities, no one remembered to mention the trestle shifter?  I love these:

I think that is a late 80s Toronado?  I thought it was a W-body Cutlass, but it's different.  Definitely looks like an Olds steering wheel.

IIRC, some Chevy and Olds models used that style of shifter in the 70s (as did the '69-70 Ford XL). 

 

3 minutes ago, Robert Hall said:

I think that is a late 80s Toronado?  I thought it was a W-body Cutlass, but it's different.  Definitely looks like an Olds steering wheel.

IIRC, some Chevy and Olds models used that style of shifter in the 70s (as did the '69-70 Ford XL). 

 

It is an '87 Olds Toronado Trofeo.  What a nice cabin environment all the way around!

Someone in my area has a dark red Toronado of that vintage, a late 90s Riviera, and a late 90s Regal sedan. 

Nice, clean, non fake-manual shifter : 

Edited December 9, 20214 yr by balthazar