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It's about damn time. Now they just need to convince the UAW that they need to make cuts in benefits and pensions. Make their health care match non-union positions. Kudos on the executive pay cuts. -P

Which is why the "Friends and Family" discount was so great. Add in a $500 discount for military (current and former). It was too good to pass up. Bought it through a Fleet/Internet sales rep. Actually came down from Seattle, since they didn't have a color we wanted. 2 days later we're in the TSF going up Archers Trail, through Can Opener, and some others. People looked twice at seeing a Jeep with temp tags on the trails. Niiice. -P

I'll have to disagree with you to a degree. Yes, for some, income can play into it. But for me, in the Oregon/Washington area, a Hummer has no place offroad. They're too big for most of the real trails here. Same reason you won't see alot of LWB Jeeps/Blazers/Broncos out here. No room. Most Hummer owners though, will flaunt price/income as the reason they're not on the trails (We Jeepers are too poor to afford them). I haven't been in a Hummer, but I have been in a M998. It is a very capable vehicle. However, I have issues with it's bastard truck-based offspring that live off it's stellar reputation. From the huge wall-sized blind spots, to the lackluster engines, it's all about the bling. -P

Dang. You're missing out on all the good Jeep Vs. Hummer arguments out there. FWIW: Jeep originated as a military vehicle in the '40s. Any relation to the '85 M998 (H1) only exists due their both being placed in to service by the Army. I see the military HMMWV's as a necessity to replace several other aging platforms, doing all tasks very well. -P

Sorry, hate to be a wet blanket. There's SUVs, Cars, Trucks and Jeeps. Jeeps will always have a lead when it comes to off-road capability. The worst jeeps are better than most "other" offerings. Example: H1 = $140K, H2 = $60K, H3 = $32K. Expensive yes? Offroad capable? Marginally (with the exception of the H1). Compare that to a Jeep Rubicon, $27K. The Rubicon is far more of a trail worthy vehicle and cheaper, smaller, more nimble. Sorry. The Hummer brand is for egotistical, penis-measuring morans who are easily separated from their money. They're buying into "image" more than off-road worthiness. To them, it's all about the "bling". -P //Uses his Rubi off road ///Has scratches to prove it

GM's Holden brand already has an Elky.... called the Ute. Would be easier to make LHD than making a new car from a newer platform.