ForzaJersey

I've been a Cadillac fan my entire life. As much as I'd want to fanboy the Celestiq, I find it hard to be enthusiastic based on the garish and cheap looking Cadillac EV grille that won't age well, the bland side profile, and a fastback rear that belongs on the rear of a Honda civic, not a flagship ultraluxury sedan. The EV powertrain is simply outclassed by Lucid. The Celestiq will be valuable to collectors since it won't likely be produced very long.

Happy Birthday! @surreal1272 I hope it's a great one!

Nah, best case it's 55-57% in 2030. It could be as low as 16% by then. Your instincts on this aren't entirely wrong. Sorry, my reply got sucked into another post.

Perhaps so, Big Oil still hasn't yet begun to fight. They still have 280 million customers in the US. Their investments in advanced biofuels, hydrogen, wind/solar, and battery storage suggest they aren't going quietly into the night. We shall see... Have a great night!

Actually, I stand corrected. https://rhg.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/Rhodium-Group_Pathways-to-Paris-A-Policy-Assessment-of-the-2030-US-Climate-Target.pdf See page 18 (Figure 4.5). Since BBB looks dead or severely gutted, I'm using the existing policy figures. This is the paper being used to promote the BBB plan by the Biden White House. So, it's the only data showing the impact the BBB could have had. 2025: 9-14% EVs 2030: 16-34% EVs I mixed up the 9-14% part as 2030. My bad. The hype machine is real for BEVs. It's mostly the media's fault but, automakers let rumors run wild to get PR. Automakers are already beginning to walk back or clarify statements on electrification. https://www.thedrive.com/tech/39016/gm-aspires-to-sell-only-evs-by-2035-heres-how-to-understand-what-that-really-means They allowed the hype (or leaked rumors to fuel it) to spread before quietly resetting expectations to more real world scenarios. Most "EVs" will be actually be plug in hybrids, not pure BEVs. Which isn't a such bad thing considering you can treat them like short range BEVs but, you can still refuel in a few mins if your needs change. Thanks for the links btw. Regardless of the future, BEVs & PHEVs are having a banner year. Nah, best case it's 55-57% in 2030. It could be as low as 16% by then. Your instincts on this aren't entirely wrong.

I'm aware of the history of ZEV programs going back the Clinton and Bush 41 years. This isn't the first time the major automakers greenwashed their image for handouts. I think you are giving them too much credit.

Yeah because major automakers in the US totally didn't do a 180 from trying to undermine emissions regulations to pushing BEVs in less than 24 months with the hope for EVs goodies at the Federal trough. This is the political reality. I agree they had BEVs in the pipeline either way.

Late for what? LMAO! I love the hype machine around BEVs. The BEV market's growth is exaggerated and BEV market share is projected to be between 9-16% by 2030 with BEVs not going mainstream until the 40s. Toyota is wise to not prematurely abandon the ICE vehicle market before BEV demand materializes in the real world. There's no reason that any major ICE automaker in 2021 should feel they are late to the BEV party. I suspect that as the Biden administration's political capital becomes exhausted automakers will quietly walk back BEV commitments.

If we must have mandates, mandate carbon neutral drop-in fuels we use in transportation, electricity, and heating. We could achieve carbon neutrality in years, not decades. ZEVs are great, let the grow naturally as they mature as a technology and are adopted by the market.