SuperSport623

im sorry if it was already mentioned somewhere, but how much is the challeneger gonna weigh? i feel it to be a pig

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BOF, RWD and in every body style imaginable... most of my favorite cars of all time are A/G bodies

anyone else see sentra in the headlights?

yeah the 2+2 is uber rare.... in my opinon, its ugly as sin but if its a g body, ill take it... i still contend the g body is one of the coolest platforms... not the best, but some awesome cars were spawned off it

that mustang is HOT sorry i have nothing useful to contribute to the thread...

my favorite monte is the 4th gen, especially the ss... just something about how the curvy character lines down the side sharply contrast the boxy body

yep, pretty much.. if you were around while street racing occured, your guilty

that reminds me of what theyve started on long island... Spectator tickets.. i havent got one yet, but if your watching street racing, you can get a $250 ticket.... government in action

my favorite racing is top fuel and funny cars... sure its even farther from stock then nascar... but nascar is too boring.. at least with top fuel, a race is done in <5 seconds... now if nascar became STOCK car racing like its past, i would watch it religiously... i like vintage nascar warching cars like chryslers winged warriors and the monte aerocoupe.... nascar is just a drivers race, a modern day IROC series

ughhh theres nothing better to do than crack down on burnouts? here its called "excessive start" and i think its a $150 ticket.... even "Unauthorized speed contests" as they call it, at the absolute rarest they impound your car but you usually get it back...

diesel is about 20-30 cents higher then regular fuel around here if i got a diesel id probably do the not so legal thing and run home heating oil through it... i dont know if new diesel cars can stand up it

Pontiac should release pics like this for all of the new RWD family

i was looking for an ss before i bought the nova, and i looked at quite a few... the 87/88 taillights in my opinion look SO much better then the inset taillights of the earlier years... i fight with my monte friend over what looks better all the time

i hate how the quarter window and belt line dip down

it was the smithsonian, but the smithsonian pulled the EV1 after WHO KILLED THE ELCTRIC CAR debuted...

i actually was trying to find a way to come up with the money when you had the firehawk for sale.... if i had the cash i would have been down to PA immediatly...but as long as you had fun with the cars when you had them , thats all that matters

i want one pretty badly too, but im gonna wind up getting an LS1 fourth gen...the problem is, GM today cannot be the same as it once was... GM used to compete with itself, Camaro and Firebird for example... now, with the market so much more fierce in every segment, GM cant have the amount of overlap it used to have

ahh im jealous of you camino.. the gto and the 4th gen firebird are my favorite late model cars... i hope to have the money saved to buy one or the other next summer before i go to college.. and the fact that your car was a firehawk is so much cooler...

rarer then the monte aerocoupe i believe...if you havent guessed, i am a sucker for a g body.... my best friend is on his 3rd monte and he got me hooked

and what im trying to tell you, is how can a car last if the platform its based on is phased out? move it too a new platform? GM is not in the market to please everyone, while it would be nice, EVERY thing is a cost benefit analysis... while sometimes go overboard, keeping a 20 year old platform on life support that exists mostly to supply fleet sales... if the grand prix was moved to a new platform besides zeta, it would anger me even more, as it would continue the bastardization of a once great performance brand

i for one wish the G8 was a tad bit agressive, but i personally find it more attractive then the GMI rendering... about the whole rebadge thing... the G8 type rebadge isnt anything like the g5/cobalt... for one thing, what other holden is coming to US under another brand that wont be getting a reskin? the g8 is only a rebadge of cars sold in other countries... how many COMMON CONSUMERS will see a holden next to the g8.. to be quite honest, before joining this site last year, id never heard of holden, so i wouldnt know it was a rebadge and to be perfectly honest, GM cant please everyone... you may want the grand prix, but most performance enthusiasts prefer the g8. my favorite all time grand prix... just love showing some more good pontiacs.. Fugly, Underpowerd and oh-so 80's....

1st the impala will be kept in name only... the w body is dead.... and im sorry you were so close to buying a grand prix, but theres always preowned.. so are you suggesting the keep building the grand prix, forever? because when its outdated its more pain then its worth.. if that were possbile, id still be begging for G bodys/A Bodys/F Body's/B bodys/XBodys/and for the hell of it, the vega too! but outdated cars need to be either scrapped or redesigned.. if the grand prix continued, it would mean a complete redesign just to remain relevent in the market place... while you may not feel its the best, the G8 is the new type of pontiac... it is better then the grand prix in performance aspects, what pontiac should be about... when you say bring the current grand prix on the new platform, do you mean put the grand prix body on zeta? if you mean that then you obviously dont understand car construction.. for one thing.. its bob LUTZ not luts... he knows what hes doing... chevy is the volume brand....it is supposed to have the most bang for your buck, car for the masses type appeal.. pontiac will for now and hopefully its long future, will be a niche brand... it means LESS models with a specialized theme..its theme is cheap performance. if pontiac does purge FWD from its line up )which i hope to god it does) the grand prix is gone anyway and while im at it.. im tired of hearing people complain about the damn GTO... it was brought over at the end of the model cycle... do you know why the GTO looked like it was designed in the 90s? cause the commodore it was based on was designed..um... when? the 90's!!! while it could have looked better with the updated styling, it still is a performance powerhouse... you dont like it? dont drive one... i LUST after a black LS2 6 speed, because it is again what pontiac should be... PERFORMANCE.. its styling could have been better, but it was either import it how it looked, or not at all... you might be happier if the GTO never came hear, but i know a lot of goat owners around here that love them.... mmmm goat....(+ sum love for the turbo regal in the back)

86 aerocoupe = 1 of 200 right?

this is not the reason the current grand prix is dying.. the current grand prix is dying because it is on a 20 year old outdated platform... pontiacs shouldnt be front wheel drive.. correct me if im wrong, but the grand prix was strictly a two door until it became a w body.... i respect the current grand prix as a decent car, but it is NOT a pontiac... the real pontiac grand prix died in 1987 you are of course entitled to your opinion, as am i... but i belive that the G8 is the second step in the revitalization of pontiac (solstice first)... it is a RWD, performance tuned car... while it may not be styled to you taste, it is a temporary stop gap, it may be wildly different when the NA Zeta comes online... so while you may not like it, the G8 is more pontiac then the w-body grand prix EVER was