smk4565

I meant low cost cars like Sentra, Jetta, Taos, Trax, Maverick, Mazda 3, etc at are made in Mexico. And Honda and Toyota definitely sell Canadian made cars here, I've even seen UK built Civics here. Yes, but even a Pilot or Odyssey is about 70% American parts, 30% of the parts going in will be tariffed. Honda could be okay, Tesla, the VW Buzz are all high American parts content. But no one is immune from the storm, and the tier 2 and 3 suppliers could get hit hard too.

Yeah, Toyota is really strong globally, and has a lot of cash, they can weather a storm. Honda is screwed because their top 2 sellers are made in Canada, but they have a lot of US manufacturing. The Xaiomi SU7 smokes the Plaid all day long, and it outsold the Model 3 in China last year. Tesla is starting to fall behind the Chinese, the Model S should be $45,000 and Model 3 at $29,000 to compete with what the Chinese have. Tesla can't turn profit at those prices. And Elon is scaring the customers away which doesn't help them either.

Agreed. All the low cost cars are made in Mexico, the Civic, Rav4 and CRV are made in Canada so you hit 3 of the best sellers hard. Stellantis is screwed for sure, they have a lot of Canadian production and they already have a price problem. GM and Ford will be weakened when the dust settles. And the Chinese will be the winner, I doubt any of the legacy car companies will be able to hold them off. I just read today how Porsche is struggling in China because their cars lack the tech and performance of some of these Chinese EV's. If Porsche who builds great cars is falling behind, what chance does Nissan, Ford or Chevy have?

They could try that, but it would be expensive (even more so with a 25% tariff since it is made in Canada) and The Mustang had it's worst sales year in history in 2024 despite being a new model and the Camaro and Challenger being out of the picture. I read they sold over 70,000 Camaros in 2016 and it was down to 5,000 last year as they closed up shop. There is no market for these cars. I am sure they could sell a few thousand Hellcat Chargers, but is that even profitable? And I agree that the EV Charger will fail, the early test drives make it seem like the product is a bit half baked and they are too expensive.

Just imagine a Jeep Compass with an extra 25% tariff on it. Sounds like a sales winner.

Gas prices have gone up a little in the US this year but once the tariffs go into place and summer fuel blend and summer demand come in, I am sure gas prices will shoot up.

Durango sales were down 14% in 2024. Granted the model is as old as dirt, but it was the only Hellcat model they had and the sales keep dropping. And I suspect like 5% of Durango sales are Hellcats, and the majority are V6 rental cars or police package.

In true Stellantis fashion, they should make the Compass about $55k to compete with the Land Rover Evoque so that when they don't sell they can discount then $13k like the Dodge Hornet and still not sell any. All they have to do is put the Hellcat in the Wrangler for $130,000 and then all of a sudden that $60k Wrangler with a 4-cylinder looks like a smoking deal.

The grille is ridiculously large, the bolt on screen on the dash makes no sense. I don't get how BMW had it's best sales year ever in 2024 when they build these ugly cars.

That’s a really good value especially if you can get the tax credit applied via lease if it sticks around. The only downside is it is 5,900 lb vehicle so it isn’t really a performance car outside of straight line speed. Cadillac needs to make an EV sedan/coupe version of this, because the Lyric is a bit big and heavy and the CT4/CT5 don’t really sell anyway.

So 40 years of 300E/E350, G-class since the 1970s, 300SE/S500 since like 1970, SL since 1954. Yes they changed from number first to letter first, but it is the same alpha-numeric theme. The treading water luxury brands like Lincoln, Acura, Infiniti and Cadillac change naming around all the time and don't have the brand equity, and the really struggling brands like Jaguar, Maserati, Alfa Romeo just aren't consistent enough at anything. I think Cadillac could go all EV and really rebuild the lineup and be on to something, but they then need 10-20 years of consistently good product. The 2045 Cadillac lineup should be, Optiq, Lyriq, Vistiq, Escalade, Celestiq and whatever they name their EV sedan that I imagine will replace CT4/CT5.

I think Musk is so arrogant that he thinks Tesla doesn't need any tax breaks or government help (despite building his business on them) and that if all the tax credits go away, it will hurt the legacy OEM's selling EV's more than him. But without that $7500 discount n Tesla's they look $10k more expensive than the ICE counterparts and once that value proposition is gone I think the sales grown crawls to a halt. And Stellantis and Nissan may be a mess, but Toyota is a juggernaut, Hyundai/Kia have good momentum, GM is looking pretty strong again, Honda does their core products well and the Germans have the luxury market sewn up. Tesla faces a lot of competitors who aren't just going to roll over.

Nissan has the new Kicks at a competitive price, that could do well like the Trax has. There is a new Murano. But the Titan is gone (not that they sold many anyway), the Altima is dying next year so that is a lot of lost volume, I think they killed or are killing the Versa, and the Z doesn't sell at all (too expensive). And a lot of those Sentra, Kicks, Rogue sales are probably rental fleets. It is just a junk brand. Infiniti sales are down 50% in the past 5 years and they are going to let Infiniti dealers move into Nissan dealers to survive. But Infiniti is in even worse shape than Nissan because they can rely on rental fleets and low credit buyers like Nissan does. No higher margin luxury sales, no high margin pick up sales, Nissan is a mess. Stellantis also a mess, way too many cost cutting measures and they build junk cars and too many brands to feed. You don't need Dodge and Chrysler, Alfa and Maserati, Citroen and DS, Opel and Peugeot, etc. It is all overlap, they could kill half those brands. Terrible product planning too, way too many expensive vehicles and they don't make a competitor to the Corolla or Rav4 or Model Y for the global market and those are the top 3 selling vehicles in the world. No Ford Maverick or Toyota Tacoma competitor at Ram. And the Stellantis fan boys want to blame the decline in the company on Tavares killing the Hellcat and the V8 Chargers, but Hellcat vehicles are low volume and they pretty much exhausted that market already. They could bring back a Hellcat Charger and they'd probably sell like 10,000 a year when the company has capacity to build like 7 million vehicles a year. The company is clueless on what buyers actually want, and they haven't put R&D into new product in forever and trashed the reputation of all their brands. And I think Tesla is next, once the $7500 goes away, and the west cost liberals stop buying them because they don't like Elon, I can see their sales dropping because that product line is stale as hell now, and the Cybertruck is already out of reservations, so those are about to be a sales bust. Unless Elon cons the government to buy 100,000 Teslas per year.

Probably is the last Nissan Murano as they won't be here in 10 years to do another one.

I wonder what people will think when they see 25% tariffs on Chevy, Ford, Ram, Dodge, Jeep, Nissan and VW vehicles? People think cars cost too much now, just wait. And if you deport all the illegals and loose construction and agriculture workers, housing prices will go up, produce prices will go up. The inflation will hit hard, which will probably lead to recession like 2008. Good chance Nissan goes bankrupt in the next 2 years, Stellantis is a mess (I have seen $26,000 off brand new Grand Cherokees or lease for $299 a month with $0 down, and $19,000 off 2025 Ram trucks already). When these big companies fall it has a trickle down effect. The only positive will be Elon will have pissed off all the liberals that used to buy Teslas before he went "dark MAGA" and once Trump turns on him for failing to cut money from the deficit, the MAGA people will turn on him too.