Turbojett

yup. '57 Lincoln Premiere. saw one just like this one at a car show once when i was a younger teenager. I remember I was flat amazed at the amout of rear seat legroom. those foglamps almost threw me off though, until I saw the bottom picture..

Well, it's an F575M (a Superamerica, to be exact), which is basically a mild MCE of the 550, which was a '96 or '97 model. The 550/575 Maranello stuck around until 2006, IIRC. But I'll agree that Ferrari aren't always the same "beautiful;" they have their phases: Artistic in the 60's, funky (and at times just plain odd) in the 70's, technical in the 80's and early 90's, Rennaisance-style (emulates the 60's) in the late 90's-early 2000's. and now they're sort of technical and origami-ish again. But they all have their own charms. From a purely objective design standpoint, an F40 is practiaclly a flying doorstop with a basket handle, but there's something more behind it that makes it badass.

literally the perfect analogy those are metaphors

Well, the Fezza is also a >15 year old design as compared to the brand new Lambo, with 15 year old styling trends. That's sort of like comparing: In comparison, Lambos of similar vintage:

honestly, as much as I love the past three generations, the first two are my favorite. oh yeah, and there was another generation in between, but it doesn't really do anything for me.

I like the BMW ad: "Hey honey, where the (honk) are you going?"

I must say I like the facelift. cleans up the whole front of the car. and i like the 350Z throwback turn signals (or are they fogs?) really looks nice.

Oh.

I haven't been to Constantinople in a long time.

Oh, I can almost smell the Bondo.

four words: Tail of the Dragon.

looks more like it said Chevrolet. the stripping from the paint matches those letters more closely than "El Camino" I mean, given the badging (over)customization, It wouldn't be out of the question for the owner to have replaced the original El Camino badge with the "CHEVROLET" script from a Chevy truck, which is what it looks like was there and had fallen off.

what the hell's Ford whining about? In the old days they'd just strike back and fight fire with fire. Now they're all super butthurt over the ad and whining over it? come on. I also love how Ewanick said "people who are really worried about the Mayan calendar coming true should buy a Silverado right away" 'cause really, if you're dumb enough to believe that mimbo-jumbo, we can sell you anything. A Chevy truck...a bridge in Brooklyn...

Needs too much TLC for $3500. The painjob I could live with, but not the hood. And it's an auto. I vote Crack Pipe. Looks like there was a "CHEVROLET" badge glued there at one point.

that's cool. I'm a fan of Lambos too, I just like them a different way. Like the Ferrari is the hot girl you're too scared to ask out, and the Lambo is the girl in your clique that's pretty but she can still kick your ass. The American Muscle is the cute girl next door you've known forever and you'd probably be more likely to ask her out.

how old? '80's? '90's?

Woah, whoa, whoa... ...seriously? Nothin'?

I agree with that. Promising and amazing are two different things.

And party line around here is that the Neon was crap. And the Avenger... and the Sebring... and everything Pontiac ever made... and everything that don't have SatNav... Oh really? Did you post that in 1994 or in 1984? I don't have the production numbers here... but the Sunfire habitually sold more than 100K until the very end. The Grand Am sold between 150K and 250K per year for 20 years. That gives us at least 1 million Sunfires and 4 million Grand Ams. I would guessimate its closer to 1.5 and 5 mill, though. How many cars did Pontiac have to sell to be 'good enough' for 1995? Is the Sunfire the greatest car made?... Hell no. Its noisy, flimsy, made with meh parts and a crash test disaster. Oh, God, it don't have Nav, either. But it was made in coupe and convertible... and the basic shape is MUCH better looking to me that nearly every small car made since. Hell, there is still an aftermarket for it, 7 years after it ended. Again, I'm not specifically attacking the Dart. Its very nice looking for a modern economy car. But let me ask... has ANYONE here driven one? Driven a Giulietta? Driven a Giulietta built by unhappy, union-backed employees in North America somewhere? And what about people who learn its designed by FIAT... a company not exactly synonymous with quality automobiles. In the end, its the entry level Dodge... and in time it will be judged that way even if it gets 200 mpg, goes 300 mph, only emits chocolate ice cream and has seats that feel like sex. So its better to make nothing... or badge then as even cheaper Chevys? There already was a distribution channel for Pontiac... and I'm sure the G8 alone, given a fighting chance, would have added more sales to GM's numbers than Lincoln provides to Ford. First of all, where the blinking hell did you get NAV from, and why did you decide to shove that in my face? I'm not only a strong proponent of finding directions to a certain destination beforehand, but also of keeping my eyes and mind on the road. I don't need nav. I don't like nav. I'm not like some people who need to use it to find his way home from the office, even though they'd been doing so ten years beforehand. This shouldn't even be part of the discussion. granted, those numbers put up by the grand Am and the Sunfire are all well and good, but unless you're comparing them to the competition, it's rather misleading. I want to see how they fared against their competition, only that can tell me whether it's "good enough". and if you still find the Sunfire attractive, that's your thing, i won't tell you you're wrong, just simply that i disagree. I find each iteration rather tacky looking. While nobody here's driven the Giulietta (seing as it's not sold here), what i was specifically referencing were the reviews you can read anywhere on the internet. Sure, italian cars weren't always synonymous with quality, but they, much like the domestic companies, were taken to quality school by asian imports. for instance it's been said that the NSX forced Ferrari to build cars with parts that don't fall off while you're driving. they just learned their lesson sooner than we did, because complacency. Have you driven a Dart? of course not. we can pontificate and speculate all we want, but untill someone gets behind the wheel, all we have to go on are reviews. that is, when it comes down to it, what gets people interested enough to test drive them. Reviews of the Giulietta were good. this shows promise for the Dodge that is based on it. This is why people are excited about the Dart, point blank. Perhaps it will be crap, perhaps it'll be great. We don't know that any more than we know if invisible octopi live on Neptune. But we can't just assume anything based on "it's the entry level Dodge." Finally, you're making it sound as though I'm a proponent of shutting down Pontiac. NEVER. I never said that they might as well quit, or rebadge Chevy's (isn't that what got them into trouble in the first place?). I will forever be mad at both General Motors and the Fed for killing my second-favorite car brand, and the third-best selling GM division. All the while spewing the politically-induced literal vomit that "there was no business case to make Pontiac viable." Ridiculous. Basics, and I'll make them to the point. Cutting costs and badge engineering is less effective than simply building quality product in the first place. GM was complacent and thought they could still stay on top of the market. They didn't. Pontiac suffered for it. The frustrating part is that GM, the largest automaker in all the world, could have done better, and should have done better; I found myself thinking this far before 2009. They could have made better, more distinct product for each individual generation. they could have made things that challenged their class to dominance. They could have done this ten, even twenty years ago what they find themselves forced to do now. Smaller companies with less liquid assets were able to make better quality product. They gained market share on GM. Basically, since GM is able to do it now, why the hell didn't they do it before? Disgruntled union workers are no excuse for inferior product. This is what quality control is for. Chrysler is making desirable, quality product now. They are making cars with attitude and panache, and they're backing it up with good quality and better driving dynamics. All I was saying is that Pontiac should have been doing THAT, instead of building cars with gaudy plastic cladding and sporty looking bits that made most of the cars all sizzle and no steak. They certainly didn't do Pontiac's image any favors. sure, there are notable exceptions; Firebird, GTO, G8, Solstice, maaaaybe the GP GXP to a lesser degree. But other than that, can you really say that any other Pontiac lived up to that hype or promise of sportiness? Were they as comparitively good as a Charger is now? Would you rather a Sunfire over a Dart? You can read into that what you want. but think about it first. consider everything i say, and let it digest. You can't be faulted for taking time to put together a valid counterpoint, rather than a rushed argument for the sake of replying quickly.

I've heard elsewhere that this is a load.

the ZB's interior was always pretty boring, but it was supposed to be minimalist, or at least evoke minimalism. The I'm also not a fan of the Fezza's interior. It may scream sports car, I'll give you that, bit it also seems incoherently busy. At least the Pagani's had a theme running about, but that interior is also really busy...then again that's the Pagani's hallmark, part of it's charm. I really wish Ferraris would return to classical form instead of looking like a Korean cyborg with four wheels and a screaming engine. Granted they look badass, but Ferraris are supposed to be beautiful. We already have Lamborghini covering "badass." How I long for classic Pininfarina beauty.

on two separate occasions, three different CTS coupes at the same intersection. (none the same one twice, I am assuming.) Sales of those things must be really starting to pick up as of late. Haven't seen any V coupes yet though.

Are you kidding? If Pontiac never comes back, even as good as the G8 was, THAT CAR will be seen as it's last great hurrah. Mark my words, that will be an iconic classic.

the Dart and 300 look sweet. The Jeep...okay...okay, I'm down with it. the Fiat...

Pretty sharp.