bowtie_dude

New photos. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/...photopanel..1.* But really, just more of the same.

I agree that Honda has a quality product, but I also agree with what they're saying. I don't care if a car was the most perfect car in every way imaginable, if it was ugly, I wouldn't buy it. Hondahumpers don't care. Slap an 'H' on the ugliest thing ever made, they fall all over themselves to get it, same thing with Toyotahumpers. I don't care WHO made it, if its ugly I won't buy it. Period. I'm simply not that brand loyal.

I really like the new Vue, so bugger off, BV.

I really like the steering wheel, as well.

Looks GORGEOUS in the white their tester came in.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...rticleId=120836 Road Tests Full Test: 2008 Saturn Vue XR Taking in the Vue By Donna DeRosa, Managing Editor Date posted: 05-17-2007 Saturn sent the 2008 Vue to European finishing school and it came back unrecognizably well-groomed. Derived from the Opel Antara, the 2008 Vue looks nothing like its former boxy self, plus it has a serious new personality to match. No Longer a Wallflower The 2008 Saturn Vue has the same 106.6-inch wheelbase as before, but it's a little wider and a little taller. More important, the curvaceous new bodywork has a clean, polished Euro-style look, especially in the Polar White of our test vehicle. Black side vents and dual stainless-steel exhaust tips add to its daring new persona. The only design miscue regards the Dumbo-size side mirrors that hang off the car at a weird angle and create wind noise besides. Next time around, don't forget the ear tuck. The generic plastic of the former Vue's interior has also given way to a posh new appearance, with far nicer materials. The exterior theme of full, round shapes is carried over inside, and an overall sense of restrained good taste is reflected in the modest chrome trim that brightens up the dials, meters and vents. Chrome also spiffs up the interior door pulls, speakers and center stack control knobs, while toned-down brushed aluminum adorns the steering wheel, door panels, parking brake and shift knob. Passenger Comfort Our Vue's optional equipment package included leather trim for the shift lever and leather upholstery for the seats, plus three-position seat heaters (which could warm up a bit more). The eight-way, power-adjustable driver seat is great, but the passenger has to make do with manual seat controls. Although the seat bolsters look substantial, the seat design isn't terribly supportive around the hips and back and the seat cushion is too short. The seats are not uncomfortable, but you feel like you are sitting on them rather than in them. Front legroom measures 40.7 inches, actually less than the previous Vue by about a half inch. And that's a full inch less than most of the competition, including the Ford Escape, Honda CR-V, Mitsubishi Outlander and Toyota RAV4. Overall, the 2008 Vue affords 97.7 cubic feet of interior passenger volume. In the Vue's favor, the second-row seatbacks recline for comfort. Rear legroom has increased somewhat to 36.9 inches. Other compact SUVs in this class vary, but most notably the Outlander, RAV4 and CR-V have at least 2 inches more space. There is no third-row option available. Built for European Roads There's a MacPherson strut suspension up front and a multilink independent rear suspension. Real sheet metal is hung on the outside and this is a unibody built to European crashworthiness standards, so it's no surprise that the Vue V6 weighs in at 3,988 pounds, some 520 pounds more than before. An unexpectedly robust and responsive powertrain also transforms the 2008 Saturn Vue. GM's 3.6-liter DOHC is rated at 257 horsepower at 6,500 rpm with 248 pound-feet of torque at 2,100 rpm, and it works well with its smooth-shifting six-speed automatic transmission. The new Vue accelerates to 60 mph in at 7.3 seconds and we reached the quarter-mile in 15.7 seconds at 90.3 mph. Although the 269-hp Toyota RAV4 V6 has an edge in power over the Saturn, the Toyota's performance is almost identical, with acceleration to 60 mph in 7.0 seconds and to the quarter-mile in 15.3 seconds at 91.6 mph. Riding and Driving Around Town Driving the Saturn Vue around town is effortless and relaxing, as the quick-shifting automatic helps deliver good city manners. On the freeway, the Vue keeps pace as long as the road is flat. On the most gradual of inclines, the transmission seems to get confused and doesn't know whether it should downshift or stay put. When it does downshift, it immediately feels guilty and limits your progress again. Once we popped the shift lever into manual mode, the transmission came to its senses once again. Utes in this size class are asked to deliver great maneuverability as you dart in and out of parking lots while running errands, and the Vue's nicely weighted steering effort and accurate steering action (no more electric assist) don't ask you to put up with any drama. This is rarer in this class than you'd expect, as both the Mitsubishi Outlander and Toyota RAV4 display noticeably unpleasant symptoms of torque steer. The Vue's braking performance is about average for the class, as the four-wheel vented disc brakes help bring the Vue to a stop from 60 mph in 131 feet. The pedal feels a little on the soft side, but the vented rotors should forestall brake fade even with a heavy load. There's not much particularly remarkable about its handling performance, either. The Vue weaves through our slalom test at just over 61 mph, and it then circles the skid pad at 0.71g. As you'd expect, stability control is standard equipment for the Vue. This ute is tuned for a soft ride, but the moderate body roll in the corners doesn't keep it from holding its line in the corners. A sportier Vue Red Line with a more athletic suspension package will be available in the summer. Modern-Day Concerns The Saturn Vue XR's fuel economy is rated at 16 mpg city/24 mpg highway using the new 2008 formula. Our observed fuel economy came in at just under 20 mpg, with a best tank of 24 mpg and a worst one of 16 mpg. Since our driving style is far from moderate, we're confident that anyone driving in the real world should be able to do as well. GM will continue to introduce its hybrid powertrains in the Saturn Vue, and affordable stop-start technology will once again be available in the Vue Green Line mild hybrid, which will arrive in the fall. It's expected to produce a 20 percent improvement in city fuel economy. In addition, GM's latest two-mode hybrid technology will be available in a Vue model during the 2008 calendar year, and it's expected to deliver a 45 percent improvement in fuel economy in city driving. Safety is also part of Saturn's brand identity, so there's plenty of it in the new Vue, thanks mostly to the vehicle's European origins. There's stability control, active head restraints, and the mandatory tire-pressure monitoring system, as well as a full complement of airbags (including curtain-type head-protection bags), plus pedals that break away in an impact to prevent foot injuries. And of course there's a one-year subscription to OnStar. Cool Feature Behind the second row of seats you'll find 29.2 cubic feet of cargo space. An adjustable cargo net rides in upper and lower rails, and we used this feature in at least five different configurations during our time behind the wheel. Once you fold down the rear seat, there's 56 cubic feet of cargo capacity, pretty much enough for anyone. Our only complaint is that the liftgate is pretty heavy to pull closed. Point of Vue If you look hard at the 2008 Saturn Vue, there's not much to set apart its specifications from the rest of its carlike sport-ute competitors like the Mitsubishi Outlander and Toyota RAV4. Just like the previous Vue, it's an unassuming vehicle in a category from which not much is expected. Yet the Vue's cosmetic makeover has made a big difference in the way we think of it. It looks great in the parking lot, the interior materials send a worthwhile message of quality and durability and the V6 proves up to the task. Now that all the vehicles in this class have achieved a certain standard of competence, style and quality are more important than ever, and the 2008 Saturn Vue now makes a real impression. With its fashionable makeover, this normally shy Saturn will have to get used to a lot of attention. The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.

To hell with the UAW. How much would this potentially be worth to GM?

IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE MAJORITY OF THE BUYING PUBLIC'S TASTE. Does not matter one iota, not even a smidgeon. Why? Because we are enthusiasts. An incredibly small (relatively) percentage of the buying public. We do not make automakers any money at all. The idiotic majority are where the automakers make their money. What does that majority care about? High quality materials, tight fit and finish, and good design where they spend the majority of their time: The interior. What do they NOT care about? A 3' x 4' sheet of molded plastic someplace where the majority of them rarely see or a 12 inch piece of sheet-metal splitting the side windows in a 2+2 coupe.

I don't really care what Chrysler does anymore.

Classic cars don't suck, but the way classic cars were built are not the way modern customers want their cars. Sure, your Buick LeSabre is absolutely beautiful, but NOTHING about it would sell today. Not the styling, not the handling, not the interior, not the weight, or anything else about it. You want to see GM do well yet you're constantly screaming for them to do the exact opposite of what they need to do to succeed.

Your problem is you're stuck in an outdated, obsolete, and completely irrelevant time period. What YOU desire in a car does NOT sell cars. But you'll piss and moan for PAGES and PAGES about something the vast majority of the buying public doesn't give two $h!s about. Thankfully GM isn't listening to people like you.

Looks like another cookie cutter vehicle from Dodge.

Heh, to me a well though out design counts for a lot. I'm sure the Civic's materials are top notch, but I just can't stand the asymetrical design they've had for years. The Accord, TSX, and TL interiors are absolutely gorgeous from just a design POV, not even considering the HQ materials used.

It blows my mind how the same people who can't understand why people make a big deal about interior plastic make a huge pissy fuss over something as stupid as some plastic sitting under the hood or a B-pillar. This isn't directed at the OP, btw.

I'm only concerned with touchy-feely because the public and the auto rags care about it. I care more about design than I do about how soft the material I never touch is, as long as it LOOKS good, I'm fine. Which is why, incidentally, I don't like the Civic's interior and prefer the interior of the Mazda 3 or Cobalt.

The Tundra ads, exaggerated or not, invoke more enthusiasm than Chevrolet's jingoistic crap ads.

Man, I would hate to have been the bastard that had to put every one of those squigly stickers on there.

I would also buy an Acadia in a heartbeat, were I in the market and had the budget for that kind of vehicle.

Motortrend recently did a comparo between the MDX, CX-9 and Acadia. http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/suvs/1...dia_mazda_cx_9/ Yeah, it didn't make any sense to me, either.

From the OP: I didn't see anyone correct him on that, so I assumed it wasn't false info.

The Malibu refresh we're getting is only lasting 12-18 months?!

Thats what is most important to me.

Yeah, the Tundra ads are better than the "Our Country" ads. I hate that little diddy as well. C'mon, GM, get a better marketing company for Chevrolet already and drop the American Revolution crap.

I love the styling of the vehicle. Good riddance to the plastic side panels, I say. And the increased weight seems to be a non-issue if what Fly said about the 3.5L powertrain is true.

I like that color.