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Do you get the use of the C&G corporate aircraft. Best wishes Ernie

Maybe it has the excellent remote start that the HHR features as standard equipment on the automatic transmission model.

Since the Buick Lacrosse is Epsilon II and the Invicta is also Epsilon II, how are the 2 Buicks diffeentiated from each other?

Good point, but that assumes GM is able or willing to spend that kind of money on Saab. In some respects Saab is more easily differentiated from Buick than is Pontiac or Saturn so maybe GM will do that?

If GM goes through with their other planned brand changes, then the 9-3 might be the only other Mid size FWD sedan to go with Malibu and the nice new Lacrosse.

FWIW I bought a SL and a J car in 1994 and the Saturn was of better quality. It was not just plastic pannels as my two delta vehicles (ION and HHR) both use engines built under Saturn patent. Obvioulsly I am one who will set foot in a Chevy showroom.

I wonder how much of Saturn's future existence is tied to investment or more likely making it look like GM has changed for the public and congress. In other words the single fastest way to eliminate 400 dealers is to eliminate Saturn. Is it all about Show?

My Chevy dealer offered my wife and I breakfast while the HHR was in for warranty work. The sedans sold at 50% premium to other GM small cars. The Saturn wagons and coupes were even more pricey. I understand that Saturn has to go because of its advantageous dealer agreements. I just don't agree with all the hatred and revisionist history around here.

Too much holiday chear I guess.

I saw a headline indicating that PE Obama agrees with you.

I wondered if Toyota's quality slide was just a NA thing. I guess not.

In 1994 I bought both a Saturn SL and a Cavalier. Both cars were good, but the Saturn did last longer, was better performing, and the parts were LESS. Never had a problem with either panel creaking or the supposed large gaps. I would argue that those of you who compare an early 1990's Saturn to a 2009 Astra are just not being "fair". That said , my 2006 steel bodied ION and 2008 HHR are wonderful cars too (so far).

Weren't these cars (slant 6 espeically) constant favorites of Consumer Reports? How times have changed!

Many at the HHR forums have installed a rear roll bar on their cars are quite pleased. Does the Astra already have one possibly?

Thanks for the clarification.

Name calling - now there's a pleasant change for Christmas Eve. I suppose you resented all those guys in wheel chairs buying them too.

I don't think Toyota's partial ownership of Subaru makes a difference to the discussion. By the way have you noticed the give away lease prices on Subaru vehicles since Toyota took over? Also you forget Hino. I believe that it was Griffin(my apologies to him If I am wrong) once posted a long list of Toyota brands and sales channels that they use in Japan.

Actaully it's much more than that in Japan and 4 in the U.s. (did you forget Subaru?).

For the many months that I checked, Saturn had the smallest sales % decline of any GM brand. That combined with the fact that there are just 31 Saturn employees makes we wonder how bad they can be doing. On the other hand if Toyota lost over over a $Billion, you can bet they aren't making money now. I will be sad to see Saturn go. However, I believe GM when they say the dealer agreements with Saturn dealers make this easier.

I assume that GM won't "miss by a mile". Of course if the economy sours even more, then adjustments in expectations will need to happen. Leadership may be necessary to "move" the public. If GM makes considerable progress but doesn't fully meet requirements, it should be no big deal.

Are you assuming the government won't change those requirements if necessary. PE Obama just announced he was increasing the jobs cretion/retention goal.

Sure he would do more; specifically not pull the plug on GM if they only "come close" to published goals.

Isn't the March 31 deadline subject to(and likely to) change by the next congress and administration?

All good suggestions, but didn't the Bush requirements include no additional offshoring of jobs? Since the production lines/tooling is already in place, can't G6 production economicaly limp along in the U.S.?

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