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But this is how hydrogen will be made. Oil from here and oil from there will make elctricity and that can be used to make hydrogen. Each step along the way will have inneficiencies. Skip the hydrogen and burn as little as oil as possible by making lighter vehicles utilizing less wind reistance and compression ignition engines.

Coal and radiocativity are possible but both have their own pollution problems that make the whole hydrogen thing a no-go.

The whole tipping point thing is based on the increased cost of production as an oil field matures. Sure there is oil in lots of strange places but tis going to cost $10 a gallon to get it out. By the way California is 94.7% self sufficient in gasoline production.

Perhaps the OHC is optional.

Interesting find. Don't they have a longer warranty also.

Nice find Evok. The so called tipping point of oil field production appears to be a sad part of our futures. I believe that GM's depencance on the hydrogen economy is a bigger threat to GM's future than is Toyota. Recently a guest of NPR radio simlarily declared the hydrogen solution pure folly. The infrastructure is too expensive, and once that problem is breched the over all inneficiency of energy conversion to Hydrogen is damming. The only hope for hydrogen that I see is if energy supplies are not restrictive but polution (aside from green house gas emissions) problems become crititical.

Thanks for the clarificatin.

What's the purpose of getting a commitment to a dead/cancelled program?

Well the radio is an integral part of the VW electronic system, but its probably not a good thing.

Makes sense and many thanks.

Speculating that if the Aura is being scaled back, but that the Malibu and G6 are being brought foward to EpII, then the Aura will be alone on the Ep1 along sith Saab 9-3. Does this mean the scaling back is to Saab whellbase? Also what does NG in NG Malibu stand for?

By ending the story with the above, it is emphasized too much. Isn't the real story: If the above is true (why not) isn't it important for all GM launches and GM profitability going into the future? I feel a little bit like maybe I'm FOG's long lost uncle on this one.

These are great too GM has a history of producing inovative motor homes. These are from the 70's, utilize Olds toronado running gear, and our amoung the most highlyu prized "collector" motorhomes.

I assume because it is going to be shown at the LA auto show in a couple of weeks. This years show has a special "design" symposium. Quite a few people live in motor homes as "full timers." The largest percentage are retired folk, but not all are. A nurse who worked for my daughter bought a motor home and became a "traveler." Typically these are nurses who sign a three month contract with a hospital in some distant area they choose.

The ION ofcourse pre=dated the Cobalt by a couple of years. It will be "weird" if cobalt gets a refresh and the ION doesn't. We will see.

thanks me3head

i didn't say this information was included in the article.

see post #5 seems to confirm this. I assume the 2007 date mentioned means 2008 MY.

That is just 3.2% less PEAK torque for the Chevy. However it is not peak torque that is important but rather the area under the curve (torque vs RPM). The Ecotec has an usually flat torque curve and may likely be a better prerformer in that respect.

I think that GM will do just fine when all the dust clears. It won't help them to make up stuff and hold unreasoned grudges against Toyota. More than any other foreign maker, they try to Americanize their operations. The article linked to in the first post in this topic discusses the Kentucky(Georgtown) plant. 90% of the parts used in the cars assembeled here come from less than one days drive. That means they are made mostly in Indiana and Ohio (and of course Georgetown). Another 5% of the parts for these cars from California. I know that many of you consider California a foreign country, but hay that's your problem. About 10 years ago son-in-law #2 bought a new Toyota pickup. I looked under the hood and the parts were mostly names like Harrison and delco (GM suppliers). When the Ford Explorer had its roll over problems it turned out that GM and Toyota used the same model of Firestone tire, but with more stringent specificatins. Toyota routinely holds its American suppliers to standards not required of them by other manufacturers (GM in the past not included). Those millons of people employed in the automotive industry include parts store clerks, mechganics at Sears, and many other related firelds that are just as dependant on Toyota owners as domestic ones.

At saturnfans.com many owners seem to report poor gas milage to begin with followed by considerable improvements as the engine is broken in. The same posters report not observing such an increase in other cars they have owned.

I saw my second one yesterday (silver). Looks good. They seem to be doing well here in Los Angeles and GM really needs to pick up the sales here, too.

It really isn't important whether the instruements are in front of the driver or in the center of the dash, the important determinent is how high up they are. Thus both the civic and ION are excellent in that respect.

AH-HA: When GM showed the future products, did they include the longer wheelbase 365. I think that a good arguement can be made that 2 lengths of 365, and two lengths of 900 are one to many. Comments?

link at post #12 of http://www.cheersandgears.com/forums/index...?showtopic=3601 Negative comments about saturnfans.com are innacurate.