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Years ago I was watching 60 minutes and Ford was running a standard engine on hydrogen without any modifications and no ill effect.

But dfelt EV's have been around since the 1900's but the real game changer will be hydrogen powered either by way of an ICE or fuel cell. If they can get to efficient production and non porous storage tanks.

If FCA has just about replaced all of the Daimler bit's then that in itself would be innovative by definition. Much like Holden's re-engineering the the Astra to make the Commodore. Only FCA has done it a second time.

Cubical-aka-Moltar / You are the Prophet!

Then their are those who like it a kinda coupe and a 1/2 for young families or us old folks with grandkids to each their own

Maybe that's the amount that they need to be able to meet the regulations that the government likes to throw at the energy corporations. See dfelt I to can put you on the defense, I read the articles and posts and I am almost always able to figure out who's going to attack whom. Drew used to police this stuff better but I understand that work and life in general take precedence over the internet. I have been on this board since before Avanti something sold it to Drew and have seen all of the bickering through the years,we used to have discussions with each other but now just attack each other. I'd move on to another board but I have come to like a lot of you guys and still value quite a few of their opinions even if it conflicts with mine. So maybe I don't share much for a while and just lurk till the climate changes and it's a bit friendlier. We have lost so many good minds because of the bickering already. (Off my soapbox) back to lurking, good night guys.

I disagree with the credit there's no reason for me to pay my earnings to the government so an early adapter can buy a new electric car. I can't afford to pay for my own new auto let alone pay for someone else's. Early adaptors are making the choice to buy an auto that is much more expensive and really is a luxury item at this point. I don't mind paying taxes for my own share of the government but I draw the line at paying for my neighbors car and not being able to make enough money to pay for a newer used auto for my own family.

Smk how in the world do you get that these electric cars are emission free. They are still causing the burning of fossil fuels in over 90% of all power plants and would use 50% more than gasoline in MN. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-cars-are-not-necessarily-clean/

And slower and less nimble and less sporting and less is more. Sounds like an old light beer commercial.

But I thought we were talking about Europe?

IDK what percentage of power is generated by coal and NG as the ev percentage goes up...

Drew you beat me to the point Suburban as of 39 wood body on p/u prior

What? As GM and Mazda add new models?

I never understood the reasoning behind the idea that because VW cheated on emissions that diesels were on their death bed. All of the stories of European auto makers one by one dropping diesels from their product lines. It made no sense, company x is found guilty of cheating people out of caffeine in their cola products so all beverage makers drop cola products yet there's a sizable demand for caffeine drinks. No other industry out there would leave a market demand unfulfilled.

Yeah that's really a bizarre quote also the one about the shift speed automatics have always been faster shifting. What they did was built in slippage to allow for reliablity and not breaking parts. The technology and metallurgy have allowed the shift speed to reduce with out incident. As for the shift quality of American manual transmissions I fear the Euro's might be a little limp in the wrist. Shifting modern transmissionsare far from Muncie rock crushers or BW super T10's

daves87rs what in particular scares you about the car, my understanding is that the car hasn't even been released yet nor have we seen touched or driven it. I don't want you to think that I'm beating their drum but Geely and Cherry though they knock off styleing from what I've read make decent autos probably on the order of 2nd generation Hyundai. A guy I knew had one and the power window regulators went out a lot.comfortable and good mileage. Like it or not the Chinese exports Buick and Volvo both premium autos.

I kinda think that was the fail/fall of GM the closing of the Motor divisions the bean counters got their way and then it was just cut and paste all the way to bankruptcy. They rode a long and valiant ride but for every Ferro we got a Aztec (funny that both were Pontiacs) without divisional engineers who don't group think it'll be cut and paste all over again. In all fairness though the engines are pure GM There aren't any traces of Chevrolet other than bore spacing. If other manufacturers can do it that way ? The divisional engineers working with powertrain should work. Though I don't like the Corvette direction as it appears to be arcing (I hope that we will still have an entry level pushrod) there will be a premium V8 soon. I still think that you and others are very wrong on the Traditional American fullsize auto, while smaller volume of sales they are needed and as a plus would be a police usage. Agreed that Cadillac wouldn't wade into those waters this time but left to Chevrolet only. The whole reason that we're in SUV's is the downsizing of American autos then subsequent regrowth. Cars just flat out get better mileage it's physics of frontal area mass.

Hyper just for clarification are we defining the Fleetwood name as damaged because of the last iteration D body or previous series. I'd agree with the assessment of the previous D bodys being in the float your boat crowd, but the last version could be thrown though emergency maneuvers better than cars weighing 1000lbs less and that lt1 was gold at that time. IMOHO

Could they just get this name changing done and over with PLEASE! I mean we go all the way back to the DeVille changes and what the letters meant then the alpha numeric mishmash get it together will ya Cadillac you guys have no continuity instead of beautiful chiseled Art's and Science auto's we're served up some wonderful auto's with place marker names for almost 20years now. Every 3 years new names that mean nothing, what a shame.

At the risk of siding with Smk on this thread ... I can't wrap my head around this they may be British but I can't see this as a direct competition to Bentley and Rolls. I do see this as a great competitor to Benz, they both make wonderful performance luxury sedans and Suv's but not over the top opulence with massave interior realestate apples to oranges.

I think that if we were to use actual dollar valuation of the times that they were spent that we aren't too far from even now but that's just an in uneducated gut feeling I could be in the outfield with this but I don't have the time to research it properly. It's just so much money has been spent lately like the amount spent in Presidential terms.

I'm with you Frisky Dingo that is insane. Though I sure wish Chevy could check a few more body style boxes. I understand that wagons don't sell much and am happy to see Buick looking at them and GM making good coin on them as a premium auto. Hatchbacks looking good right now sales wise (Cruze hatch diesel+) sure wish we could see a coupe 3 door + hatch (nice mid life crisis) will NEVER get a wagon like that. A hipo wagon 3 door like a Nomad Suburban Velositor cross. Just a dream.

Sorry but as with GM's experience with the Holden/Pontiac GTO G8 and Chevrolet Caprice police vehicle, shipping can make or break a business case. Hey I found em again

I really thought that the politics were to stay in that forum. While I understand overlap in auto's and government this thread is rife with it. Let's think of a balanced approach to our thoughts maybe in the model of riviera74 I understand his politics and I see some points that I can agree with instead of just muck raking. I've been around for quite a while seen em come and go miss quite a few but never those flamers. I often wonder how many left so as not to get worked up instead of reading auto news and learning from your friends, and most here I have grown to think of as a friend. I miss the soapbox and 2 cent emojis, too lazy to go to the puter. ;-)

Tour Ex reminds me of the previous version of the Ford Freestyle witch was a Ford Taurus X or something