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Because of course you are "surprised". Fun fact: There are many good vehicles that exist outside of Germany.

My exact same thoughts. Nice interior but absolutely boring and bland on the outside. Some questionable visual elements as well.

So Tesla is just going to magically reduce manufacturing cost by 50% for this mythical $25K EV? Those "details" are sketchy at best so I will believe it when I see and then there would be no way I would buy it. Tesla has quality and build issues in the $50-150K range. Think that gets better just by waiving the "it'll be a quality $25K EV" wand at it Elon? Best of luck with that. Just skip the inflation factor between now and 2026 too.

That is a sound quality issue for me. Bluetooth audio sucks the highest order donkey. I use at home occasionally but in my car, it's a direct hookup and much better sound quality. Controls are far easier for use on the hardware than it is over bluetooth as well IMO. The kids can have it. This old fart has a different set of expectations on his drive.

Also because Apple offers their own competing chipset with their M line of CPUs. They are in everything "Apple" now (save for the technically ARM sourced A series chips in iPhones and TV streaming boxes) so telling Apple their "OS" needs to jive with competing hardware and subsequent OS (and often times, slower hardware) is a tough sell for them, knowing that they are involved in their own project. I just don't get the automakers willing to wholesale abandon a rather sizable user base, in the long term though. Me, personally, I can adapt to any tech thrown into these cars but being that two major sources of data (on my travels) involve my phone, that is a potential issue for me when I decide to go the EV route. GM will be S.O.L. if they decide to keep on this path.

Oh, it's' really simple. From a "business" standpoint, it's all about money. Nothing more, nothing less. Everything else is secondary. Putting that aside, from a tech standpoint, I get going the hardware route they chose. Having a capable and active infotainment system, can have a lot of advantages, from a "performance" standpoint (responsive menus, ease of use, improved feature sets, etc). The mirror mode used by CarPlay and Android Auto can definitely hinder performance in terms of menu response, on top of being a nested layer on top of the existing infotainment system (and the pitfalls that entails) that sometimes just doesn't "jive" with the rest of the infotainment system. What is baffling me how Google is deeply involved with these new infotainment so it's not much of a loss for them. It's the exact opposite, as a matter of fact. Apple, however, seems to lagging on this and it's mostly because of this odd focus on their own car development. Maybe they have something up their sleeve over the next few years but with Google getting involved with a lot of these automakers, it will be an uphill fight for them by then. I do know this. I will be damn if I pay for another streaming service when I have literally everything, music related, on Apple Music, which I get for a FAR lower price than services like Spotify (have a bundle deal with Apple+ which makes Apple Music less than $5 month). Everything I have in my house, has some kind of Apple related connection to it so these auto makers better think long and hard about cutting out one whole demographic just for the sake of pushing their own redundant nonsense for a "small fee" every month.

My favorite lie of the year. ”Tesla has spent $0 in advertising” A $44 billion purchase of Twitter would beg to differ. Elon is Tesla and is using Twitter to push Tesla and everything else backed by him when he’s not sounding like a complete jackass on there.

And then some. Which is still cheaper than his $57K claim and again, how many price bumps from Tesla over the past five years and he is going to harp on others for doing less? That’s why a discussion can’t be had with him. Just some serious bar moving gymnastics and I’m over this childish fanboy nonsense. The sad thing is that while he touts this “huge” price drop, he failed to realize that this new price merely aligns with its original price before all the bumps over the years (Remember, the Y was supposed to start at closer to $40K than $50K and we know what happened there). He also fails to see that the price drops are to help lagging sales. Let me say it again. It’s to help LAGGING SALES. Big sellers don’t need a price drop but shhhh, apparently Tesla is the exception to basic economics.

I’m done with @smk4565 . I just literally gave you a real world example and you move that damn bar yet again (like I knew you would). Stop it. Seriously. You were proven wrong and you still want to act like you weren’t shown the facts? Go to a Tesla forum with that biased nonsense.

Let me show you where your lack of context is getting you bit in the A. The above numbers are true for the Mach-E (for the 2021 and 2023 figures only, not the $57,995 figure). Bravo to that. However (after a whole 20 second search near my location)... Clicked "Search inventory" and... The window sticker.... Last I checked, that is: A.) Considerably LESS than the $57K figure you just used. B.)Still LESS than a base model Y (that has less standard features than the Mach-E thus killing the tax credit advantage of $3750 enjoyed by the Y), even AFTER the recent price drop on it. And this AFTER an even bigger 20% cut in January. Basically, it took those price drops to put the Y in the same breath as the Mach-E, when talking about competitive pricing. Just think about that before replying because I am not going to keep spelling out the obvious here. Or... ...should I just go ahead and move that bar for you and save your back from the repeated lifting?

First five years of Tesla sales and production issues for 1000 Alex. You do have a context issue. Put the Tesla Pom poms down and tell us how “well” Tesla was doing the first 5 years of mass production. Make sure you include their “fine” quality and “reliability” standards that have been a part of Tesla since day one. Go ahead. Give the truth a shot for once.

Stop moving the damn bar FFS. Your posts was about price drops and I gave it to you. No mention of tax credits prior so you don’t get to bring it up now. Again, Tesla is on their 3rd price drop in the last four months yet their lackluster quarterly reports shows that it did not help them beat their expected numbers, end of story because that’s where this nonsense started before you started with your apples to oranges BS. No amount of talking about tax credits changes those facts.

It has become my life's mission to see this band live. A complete throwback to the 70s but, in this case, that is not a bad thing here. Just pure groove and live, they just peel your ears back. The vocalist Jay Buchanan is the real deal in an era of phonies IMO.

Since you want to keep at it, here you go, Mach E price drop of up to $5700. https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a42705579/2023-ford-mustang-mach-e-prices-drop-increased-production/ AND AGAIN, Tesla had been jacking up their prices for the last four years so I'm sure what argument you are trying to make but I'm pretty sure it's not the one you think it is. Again, Tesla kept doing that for years until they actually made a profit but somehow with others, this is the damning issue to you. BTW, one word for you, "inflation", something even your favorite brand had to realize, hence all of their price bumps. https://www.carscoops.com/2022/08/mercedes-increases-prices-for-most-2023-models-g-class-leads-the-way-with-an-8150-hike/

Ummm, many others ALSO cut their prices but maybe you missed that memo. How predictable is it again, knowing the actual facts now? It just amazes me how you think Tesla exists in this mysterious sales vacuum where only they have done certain things, like drop prices. The price part laughable since it was Tesla that ALSO started the trend of jacking up prices for no other reason than to pad Elon's wallet. The profit stat proves that. Funny how you don't mention how that practice led to the lower price tactic.

Because he, again, skips context. Per a 2021 article: "Mercedes-Benz was the most profitable car company last year, putting nearly $26 billion on the bottom line. But last year Mercedes spun off its heavy-truck business and booked that as a $12.3 billion profit. That’s a one-time windfall event that’s not going to happen again. So, if you strip that out Mercedes would move down to sixth place. Ranking second is Toyota, with tidy net profit of more than $19 billion, and Ford is right behind it with $17.9 billion. But last year Ford boosted its profits with a one-time windfall of Rivian stock worth more than $8 billion. Take that out and Ford would move from third to seventh place." Source:https://www.wardsauto.com/industry-news/numbers-tell-story-who-s-best-car-company-world That covers ALL companies and ALL cars (ICE and EV), while yours deals with just EV related margins. Either one puts Daimler farther down than claimed. Case closed. Moving on back to the RAM...

Well that's a neat trick seeing as how they just did a few months ago and it led to what's in the article above, regarding their production versus sales. In other words, it didn't lead to more sales. Again with the apples and oranges.

I wonder just how much more "brand image" Tesla will have left with incidents like this @smk4565? https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/04/06/if-youre-a-tesla-owner-employees-might-be-sharing-your-camera-recordings If I was a Tesla, I would light that company up, legally speaking. Miles on EV mode isn't the only reason why they called it that. Overall, it is a much better car than it replaces and would be nicer overall than the Volt, at this point.

And? Most everyone had a struggle with 2022. Just set the bar back down. You don’t get to move it with your endless excuses. Fact if that if it was a loss instead of the gain that it is, you’d be tagging them for it. Meanwhile, proof of Tesla demand drops are given and you are eerily silent.

Really? That’s your latest apples to oranges comparison. That is utter horse$h! and you know it but let me spell it out for you. The Model 3 has FAAAAAR less overall competition than any ICE model from Toyota or Chevrolet. It is interesting to note that GM saw an 18% bump in the 1st quarter of this year but hey, I guess it’s easier to cherry pick just one model and compare it against unrelated models. Good grief.

Drew already pointed it but it mostly a joke anyway, and one that wasn’t too far from the truth for the “best or nothing”. And it’s $37,500 for that GLA. That’s not true either. FFS man, if you’re going to make Tesla out to be so great, make sure it’s backed up by facts. Even after a price drop, their “demand” was off. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/04/02/investing/tesla-sales/index.html

True stat without context, like the fact that production was halted to address the battery issues. If you’re going to make this case about sales and their correlation to prices, then make sure you give complete context when you do it. Think of it the same way you do when Mercedes doesn’t meet certain expectations.

True but he has made that $30K statement for the last few years so it was fair to point out the flaw in his statement lol.

The $33K A-Class must not have received that memo.

What part of "moving to EVs' are you not getting here? Does the simple concept elude you so much that you, again, have to make up this phantom about advertising and marketing timeframes? Seriously? How long has Benz been promoting the still not for sale Project One? Or how about thew G-Wagen? First shown off by Mercedes September 2021 and still prominently on their website. Again, you spend post after post complaining about other companies tactics while avoiding the fact that ALL brands (including your favorite) do this and have been doing this for decades now. Give it up already. Again, until that 3 year delayed truck is actually on sale, we can talk about "scale". Judging by it's most recent testing though, you have WAY higher hopes for it's success than just about everyone else lol.