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I'm not sure it's what I would buy as an investment truth be told....

OK, I will have to agree too.

"Yeah, that is THE MOST "sinister" car EVAH!!!!!!!!!!

"Hey Jim, ya wanna race that new stock Camaro coming out in 2009?" "No way dude, that thing is TOO SINISTER!" LOL! Earth to eyeballs, come in eyeballs....

Dude, ya gotta go REREAD the comment he posted that I replied to. Jungle Jim's Vega was a "LITTTTLLLLE BIT" more "sinister" looking than a new off the lot Camaro is going to be. Sorry, but it ain't even CLOSE. *super LOL*

All domestics are in trouble right now and all domestic CAN "come back". What has to be dealt with is the public PERCEPTION that imports are superior cars to domestics by simply BEING "imports".

1000 layoffs = too little 1000 layoffs = too much Strange how I knew 1000 layoffs would NOT be "just right"! :AH-HA_wink: Ahhhh! C&G......

I bet if YOUR car was worth 4 million dollars you would be in that penis sizing contest pretty danged quick! LOL!!!!! My reply had nothing to do with leases, it had everything to do with the quote that I replied to! Just look above what I replied in the QUOTE BOX.

I agree. Cerebus is a pretty smart company financially.

Can't come close to comparing to Ford's announced losses for sure. Hard times for the domestics right now, and they aren't over yet IMO....

With the economy down there turning sour and prices of vehicles dropping it's almost a GOOD thing for Chrysler financial to back out of at the moment... bad for business maybe, but good for financial reasons I bet. Besides, cars of ANY make can still be leased, just that Chrysler financial won't be doing it. I don't see the big deal to be honest. BTW- I just read THIS VVV self explanatory if you ask me...?

Yeah, those Hemi Cudas at Barrett Jackson are LUCKY they weren't leased! LOL

GM will surely need to sell the cars for more than just $30,000 to keep financially successful. They can't be making a car like the Camaro SS and then just turn around and give it away for cost, if that. ANY car would be successful if they were given away at below cost prices. It's just not gonna happen. Not IMO.

LOL!!!! Toss it in the Chrysler forum with the rest of the "speculation" posts there.... :AH-HA_wink:

You could buy a new GTO for a HECKUVA lot less than $30,000 when they were blowing them out. They weren't selling because demand was low! Enthusiasts liked the performance but the package was a different story... some liked them, many did not. A high performance V8 Camaro will not be sold for $30,000 when they debut, and they aren't really SPORTS CARS, and they aren't really LUXURY CARS, so why would they have "competition" with that segment? They are domestic muscle cars, pony cars, etc etc and that's where the competition will be IMO.

Never could a comparison be more off IMO. The GTO was a "bust" because it was BLAND. It had bland styling and NO PERSONALITY. It wasn't a bad performing car, it wasn't overpriced, but it sure wasn't a "GTO" from a GTO purist's point of view. The Challenger is anything BUT bland. Your "opinion" is completely biased, it has no basis in FACT, only what you WISH. Many Mopar guys have no interest in the first year cars, aside from the obvious being they ARE first year cars many are waiting for another obvious available with the '09 cars. MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS. The 5.7 Hemi gets a big boost in horsepower as well as more ecomonomical 5.7 Hemi cars and 3.5 V6 cars in a crazy gas price situation. Plus the markups will fade away. The Challenger's weight is for the top of the line SRT8 version, with all the doo-dads. It is what it is, but it's a NICE CAR TO DRIVE, has alot of accessories, has top of the line underpinnings such as suspension/wheels/brakes, and it makes no excuses. It doesn't NEED to. Drive the car or read reviews. You'll learn yet. :AH-HA_wink: The Camaro will be very similar in weight when comparably equipped despite your denial attempts, and it will also be a nice car to drive with lots of accessories and impressive performance if it comes out anything like I think it will. Neither car will weigh near the Mustang's numbers and neither car will be as small or as light. All three cars are what they are. I find all three impressive, but I like the Challenger and the Mustang, and you CAN'T. You know what I mean....... :wink:

Built a little cheaper and they sell for a little less money.....

I just meant the heavier Caddy and 300 SRT8 compared to the lighter GTO. The Mustang will be lighter than the Camaro and Challenger but that does NOT mean the Camaro and Challenger won't handle or perform, as the GTO-Caddy-300 SRT8 test demonstrated

Yup, cost will be slightly higher on the Camaro and Challenger I'm sure, but refinement costs money. Comfort does too. A Mustang with a turbo and IRS will weigh more, and it will also COST more. It will either slowly lean towards the Camaro Challenger or it will be of a slightly different breed. Sit in the back of the Mustang, then sit in the back of the Camaro or Challenger.

I agree! I bet the performance numbers will all be in the same neighbourhood, but I also bet the driver impressions for the Camaro and Challenger are better. More room, more comfort, more refinement. IMO anyways. Not to take anything away from the Mustang, because it's awesome bang for the buck and nice styling, but it will be what it will be, I'm sure.

You've been wrong before, you are wrong now, and you will be wrong again. The Challenger and the Camaro will be VERY similar in weight, size, and performance. The Challenger has VERY good handling, it's based on the LX platform, go look at the GTO vs 300 vs Caddy comparo that Motor Trend did. The 300 four door sedan put a whoopin on the 400hp GTO, so did the heavy Caddy. Don't believe me? LOOK IT UP! LOL The brand blindness stuff really doesn't matter, but if that's your bag....

The Mustang will be the lightweight of the three by a fair margin, but it also pays a price for the lighter weight. You can't have your cake and eat it too, and those who think refined cars with comfort features don't come with a weight penalty better advise us car guys how they expect to explain that..... :AH-HA_wink:

Are you posting all silly again Satty! Where's yer Mommy? haha

I think it comes out in 2010, it's VVT and MDS, it's better on gas by 5% or so but up on power considerably and very refined is what the buzz is..... I'll wait and see, but it sure sounds promising for a 6 banger.