Teh Ricer Civic!

Biden doesn't even let facts get in his way of making a point. lol, 'cause you know, FDR got up there on television in 1929 and got us through the depression.

So McCain wins over radio and Obama over TV or is it the other way around?

Perhaps, but you are missing the point, McCain didnt make his point very well but he was trying to get at the fact that the deficit needs to be reduced. When McCain confronted Obama with ways to reduce government spending, all Obama said is we need to increase funding to x, x and x. Which of course is not reducing funding. Like i said McCain didn't make the point very well, but he did say that spending could be shifted around, so that we could increase spending on programs that need more, but his defense spending thing about one topic can apply to a LOT of defense spending, where budgets often run amok. What i got out of all that is McCain actually wants to bring government spending in-line, even if it means cutting defense spending (or enforcing strict budgets when it comes to them, not allowing the companies a blank check to keep researching), And shifting government spending around so that programs that need more spending get it, and programs that are over funded are cut back. While it was poorly stated, i think McCain was trying to show that he would be fiscally conservative, whereas all Obama could come up with was he would increase tax revenues a little... and he would spend more on stuff without any cutbacks while creating even more programs. On that particular point i think Obama blew it... despite the fact that McCain didn't do a good job with it. And if you didn't catch it, they basically said they agree on the alternative fuels... except... McCain seems to be a proponent of Nuclear Reprocessing, which, as the french do, allow 90% of fuel rods to be recycled... which means a LOT LESS nuclear waste.

It was a good debate. As far as foreign policy goes, that's purely subject to partisan lines for the most part, however i strongly agree with McCain that we need to go after the terrorists in Pakistan as an ally of Pakistan, not just invade our ally as Bush has done and Obama supports. And McCain's little joke about meeting with the president of Iran was kinda funny. As far as the economy goes, McCain did a lot better than what i was expecting him to do, he didnt make the remarks that i would have liked to see, but Obama came off weaker than i figured he would. Overall i would call it a wash. :EDIT: apparently ole Kissinger is a bit ticked the way Obama was throwing his name around and misrepresenting his opinion. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/20...check-kiss.html

stronger i have no quip for this word

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I put sources in, go back and re-read it. Its not Obama himself that seems to be doing it, but just random democrats.

We are already strong allies already with our key allies (and apparently we have moved past Georgia and along with Russia will be move on with Iran nuclear talks). And since Obama is a protectionist, why would he need trade treaties?

lol what? Are you saying Bush is a maverick and independent?

Yup. Of course i hate my 2 senators, our congressman is alright though.

Okay i added links for the first 2 the first link is a bit iffy as to its truth, but the 2nd one is from a local news station. As to the NRA one, there is a 17 page PDF file with basically a "cease and desist" going around, unfortunately my stupid computer doesn't want to open it so i dont know whats up with that. And i dont know how credible it is. I will post something if i can find more as it develops. And Croc, having a list of approved/nonapproved topics, while wrong, is a little better than illegally threatening companies with regulatory/tax actions if they do not comply with a political campaign. and heres another one. http://www.kmov.com/video/index.html?nvid=285793&shu=1 This one is not really blatant, but the way it was reported sounds a little odd. and a piece criticizing factcheck.org on the NRA ads. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,427347,00.html

As bad as McCain's campaign has been, at least McCain's campaign isnt pressuring media/people with regulatory action if they air/talk about certain stuff (well hell i guess they may be, but i havent heard anything about it if they have). Threatening media outlets to have their license suspended or revoked if they air an ad is unconstitutional! If Obama has a problem with what an ad says he should file a lawsuit, not threaten regulatory action by his regulatory buddies. This has been threatened at least 3 times to my knowledge. First with the author of some book that some guy wrote about Obama (they threatened a radio station with penalties if they allowed the author to appear). http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics...f_obama_ca.html They threatened whatever that group was that was hosting a protest of the Iranian dude, The Obama team threatened to revoke their non-profit status (or charity status or something) if they allowed Palin to be there. http://wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html And last but not least [this is developing, and therefore may just be paranoid people and untrue], they are threatening regulatory actions against any media outlet that airs the recent NRA ads against obama. While the NRA may very well be stretching the truth a bit, its not any more stretched than other ads that either campaign has put out (in fact they are probably less stretched). Typical Chicago Political Machine politics. These are actions more in line with a dictator than a proponent of liberal democratic theory. Now i am not saying that McCain is any better on the rights, his support of the Patriot Act is enough to show that (although unfortunately Obama supports it too). But is it not unconstitutional/illegal to threaten people in order to achieve your goals?

Sadly i know a blond who took her convertible into a car wash with the top down.

Recent Polls indicate Bush approval rating is 24% approve 66% disapprove. Congress is about 15-17% approve, and 73-77% disapprove.

Would some1 care to explain to me this cartoon? I find it extremely funny but i dont know why i do because i dont get it.

Ah. Oh well. That's what you get for over investing in risky securities.

rofl

+1 government should only enforce contracts and ensure that fraudulent behavior is properly punished. Business associations, taxpayers associations, etc etc should all be promoted and educate people on HOW our economic system works. Annnd on a side note, apparently there is another stimulus package being talked about! YAY! it's not called a stimulus package of course, but it basically is one. And i don't feel that 60 billion dollars needs to be spent right now... digging us further into debt isn't the best way to help our economy.

Heres some more dissent from Ron Paul: Heh, with talk like that i wonder how Ron keeps getting reelected? That usually isnt the kind of stuff that the voters want to hear (even though it may be completely true)

Uhmmm.... Im assuming Lehman filed Ch.11 bankruptcy because you cannot file Ch. 7 until Ch. 11 fails. So Lehman will still be around in some form.

Actually, initially Democrats had asked McCain to help sway the GOP vote. Then when McCain shows up they accuse him of ruining everything And actually i'm glad. If these "toxic" securities are decent buys because they are worthless, then private investors should buy em up. Not the government. After listening to Ron Paul, it does make sense that government interference with interest rates, promoting (somewhat forcing) banks to extend mortgages on houses to people with less than stellar credit (to encourage home ownership of course). If the government had not interfered with the market like that, if they had not kept credit rates artificially low, the bubble probably would not have been as pronounced and caused all these problems.

But Romney or Pawlenty wouldnt have energized the party, it woulda just been "yawn" well thats a shocker.

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