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No, it has good reliability. It lacks tight panel fits, interior plastics of a higher grade than Fisher-Price toys, good interior design, etc. Plus, it's dead! :rolleyes: Just give it up, already!

Producing quality DOES ensure job security to the extent that producing quality means that people will want to BUY GM and that contributes to the financial security of GM and when GM is financially secure, job cuts are less likely. Duh :rolleyes:

I could agree with this list with the exception of the pickups. F-150 is better, but the corresponding SUVs are better at GM. I'll accept Lucerne though I think it is missing a lot of features it should have. DTS? No. Lucerne is better than it, so DTS cannot be classleading since they really compete in the same class.

I see more Terra in the mule than the Yukon.

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My vote goes to the F-150 in that market...but with the GMT-900s I'm sure I'll change my mind.

hahahahahahaha of COURSE the UAW wants to place all the blame on Wagoner and not take any responsibility for themselves. Good lord, I hope you didn't consider that an "astute observation." :lol:

Actually, I thought of one. The SRX is classleading. Whether that means my vote should switch based on ONE model is up to turbo, but I think not.

What a silly question, of course not! I would like to add to this, that if someone votes "YES" they should name the classleading products.

Good idea Turbo. As far as that dealership...they were mismanaged IMO because they were Pontiac-Buick. They did not have GMC. I doubt GM denied them GMC. Also, he acknowledges he lacked getting a visible location in an area of a lot of dealerships. Location is everything in this business. So there are two things the dealer did not do. I have yet to see something Rick Wagoner did. Evok's right...you're a waste of time.

sedan or coupe? Coupe's a good deal better than the sedan.

Um, up until the recent flatscreens, all TVs were curved... I think it would be a nifty home theatre. Everyone could sit in a circle and watch it and goof off. It would be fun.

Good read. I've always been confident in Wagoner, and after that article I am more so.

actually, I can think of a few consumer home theatre uses...

Times change. I doubt it has anything to do with Rick Wagoner, either. I bet the dealership was either: a) passed down from owner to a son who mismanaged it b) it was mismanaged c) the owner grew tired of the business If Wagoner had anything to do with it, many Buick dealerships would be closing and it would be a "Buick epidemic." Hey Buickman, quit grinding the axe!!

Actually, there IS a bit to lose! Getting customers into inferior vehicles through marketing could turn more people off to GM for life! Lemme put it this way: getting more people into G6 sedans isn't going to help GM's cause. Getting them into Lucerne's, however, might. If you're talking about selectively marketing, then fine, but not the entire lineup. I'm definitely of the opinion that some of those cars cannot die soon enough.

It was already a badge job. The first model year it was a Roadmaster with an Olds grille, the second year it was a Caprice with an Olds grille. Something about a filler panel on the C pillars.

No, I knew they existed. You admit there is a weird lighting reflection that could look like a pillar. But I guess it is just lighting. Forget it.

God bless PCH...

Of course, the greater enigma is, if this is false, why has someone taken upon themselves to spread it?

But...why would GM be trying to get a supplier to commit to a dead program? That's what he's saying...if GM is trying for a commitment, it obviously isn't dead...

Razor, drop it. No one cares anymore. :rolleyes: Can we get back on topic, guys?

I understand the concept, but then what is in the picture, circled in my blown-up pic below:

I don't like it either, but my opinion doesn't matter around here.

Well, this IS an enthusiast site, and enthusiasts sites generally get posts from insiders on future product development. If GM has a problem with it, then GM needs to address their massive security leaks. As long as there are security leaks, this site will utilize its sources to provide that info to enthusiasts.