Chazman

That's too bad.....

And the Camaro?

Like what?

Anyone get the feeling that if the CAW strikes, GM may just say, "screw it"?

I'd imagine that's a Thai market GMT-355, where GM produces them and they have right hand drive.

Hey FOG, good post. In fact I copied and pasted on CZ28 where we're having a similar discussion. Hope you don't mind.

BTW, I wouldn't put too much faith in all those stories about Alpha and Holden. Alpha's home room is the US. Perhaps Holden will have some sort of peripheral engineering role, perhaps Holden will even assemble Alphas. But the engineering will essentially be done by GMNA.

Well, put it like this.... The whole business plan for Camaro and Oshawa was for, oh say, 300,000 Zetas to roll off the assembly line annually. Now, it's looking like Camaro may be the only NA Zeta remaining. Ouch! Zeta has had a weight problem from day number one. If Camaro comes in too heavy, (which has been suggested), how long before GM feels that it might be incompatible with new CAFE requirements? Just saying, IF. Beyond that, Camaro will require a freshening after 3 years - by that time it's styling will have been in the public eye for 6 years, plus I don't think retro interiors have a very long shelf life. Would you spend this money on a dying architecture, or fold it into the next gen? And...although, some conceptual work has been done on Alpha over the past couple of years, off and on, I think work will renew on it with earnest now. It would make business sense to try to merge Camaro with that program - assuming there even is a next Camaro. Of course, although Alpha's focus will be based around 4 cylinder and perhaps 6 cylinder engines, I personally would like to see a provision for a V8 on a possible future Camaro.

When you say "work", do you mean discussions? Because all the work on GMX282 stopped in NA in Dec. of '05. And any hope of a GTO was pretty much dead by spring of '06. I think Holden had pressed for a Monaro abit longer than that. But by that time Pontiac had moved on to their Zeta "4 door coupe" concept which never gained any traction. At any rate, when the Camaro was approved, it pretty much sucked all of the Zeta coupe oxygen out of the room. I guess a more interesting question today would be..... How long before GM puts Camaro on something other than Zeta?

The GTO has been dead since 12/05.

It's started, but on a very small scale. I'd imagine it will accelerate and expand any minute now.

If I were running GM, I'd bring it over just for Camino. I feel your pain bro - but in a different way.

What do you mean?

Chris, I think we all realize that this is a cobbled together, pre-production car. But there is enough there to see that even fully trimmed, the steering wheel/dash/center stack/console/shifter will look pretty crappy, if not just plain weird.

Lots of BS in that article.

:yawn:

Regarding the two V6's... The powertrain lineup has changed a number of times for this car. And I'm not sure that all powertrain choices are even at this point set in stone. I'm pretty confident that a 300+ HO V6 will be optional - either as a stand alone or as part of a package, essentially taking the place of what previously would have been the 5.3L V8's slot. As far as the base V6, the HV 3.9L was the leading choice for awhile, but more and more, I'm feeling that base duties will be taken over by a more economical version of the HF V6. Right now I'm thinking two versions of the HF 3.6. An entry level version and a GDI high output version.

Seriously doubt that Camaro will ever see a 3.5 HV V6.

Well, whatever "canister" refers to, apparently they'll be on the Camaro, Impala, Lucerne and DTS.

http://www.automochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1943

Here's more and on another Challenger caught on public roads. http://www.automochatter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1603

I'd imagine it will. The HCD8 concept did: http://www.automochatter.com/forum/showpos...amp;postcount=8

Just wildly guessing.... But wouldn't be surprised if it were even less than that, even undercutting a base Mustang GT.

If Hyundai were to do a BH based Tiburon - what's your best pie in the sky guess on price?

Makes sense to me...