wildmanjoe

Cheers or Jeers: 1967 Pontiac Catalina Eight Door Wagon Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item3cc3211f61

It had a 16hp Techumseh engine and was built between 1983 and 1986.

Another hint: The bankrupt company was Freeway. H.M. Vehicles.

Way other end of the spectrum. These were built for mileage.

St. Cloud, MN was home to two different car companies over the years, the oldest one being PAN, the newest one being the subject of this thread. Can you name it? Hints: Founded on the bankrupt wreckage of a previous Minnesota car company. Came in red, orange and yellow. Two seater.

Cheers or Jeers: 41,000 Mile 1941 Buick Super 2-Door 3-Passenger Businessman's Coupe Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/41-000-ORIGINAL-MILES-MINT-ORIGINAL-SURVIVOR-/220967386672?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3372aebe30

3M did the same thing with a Beetle. They've brought it to the Minnesota Stae Fair before:

Cheers or Jeers: 17 Mile 1995 Chevrolet Corvette Indy Pace Car Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item33728734b6

Cheers or Jeers: 800 Mile 1979 Lincoln Mark V Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-Lincoln-Mark-V-Collector-Series-New-Astro-Roof-CB-Kasman-GM-Classics-/150769317287?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item231a8d35a7

Cheers or Jeers: 5,000 Mile 2008 Pontiac Solstice Link: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?zip=48038&endYear=2013&modelCode1=SOLSTICE&startYear=1981&makeCode1=PONT&transmissionCode=MAN&searchRadius=200&listingId=303610910&Log=0 (H/T to Z-06!)

Cheers or Jeers: 35,000 Mile 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Coupe Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Beautiful-1970-Olsmobile-98-Coupe-35-000-Miles-/300672456545?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item4601799761

I think these are the salient bits to glean from the article to which Black-Knight is referring: Notice that the people they are referring to as not wanting cars can best be described as the "Trendy Urban Douche" subset of the Millennials, completely leaving out the suburban ones and the country ones. The last paragraph I quoted is really the heart of the matter. Given that the job prospects of young people aren't that hot, does it really make financial sense to spend money on a vehicle you don't really want, can't afford and that everyone from the banks to the insurance companies is going to make as expensive for you to own as possible? From this article: http://money.cnn.com/2010/12/07/autos/Nissan-Juke-crossover-affordable.fortune/index.htm?iid=EAL This leaves two options. 1. Society stops clamping down on the nuts of the youth at every opportunity. 2. Auto makers make vehicles that even disaffected youth want to buy despite all the financial drawbacks. Let's look at vehicles that were aimed at youth and failed to catch on: Honda element Pontiac Aztec Dodge Caliber/Nitro Now let's look at what has caught on with youth at various points in time: Ford Mustang Chevrolet Camaro Chevrolet Corvair (There are others, I'm just listing three of each off the top of my head.) So what do the vehicles that flopped with youth have in common and what do they vehicles that were/are popular with youth have in common?

It doesn't have to be a manufacturer you actively dislike, just one that doesn't make anything else that really piques your interest. For example, Lancia mostly makes hopelessly stupid looking vehicles like the Musa: That would otherwise not interest me. But a Stratos, Now we're talking. Another one: From the company that brought us the forgettable Galant, the Triton: Here's the small, affordable pickup with a 4cyl turbo diesel so many people are wanting.

Cheers or Jeers: 900 Mile 1992 Pontiac Grand Prix GT Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item4ab4727a1e

Cheers or Jeers: Twin Engine 1987 GMC S15 Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item3a7118b342

What's a vehicle you like from a manufacturer you otherwise don't really care for? It can be old or new. My old one: Toyota FJ45 (After the the weak kneed drive train is swapped out for a Chevy one ton one of course: My new one: Iveco Massif. (Seriously, Fiat should import this as a Jeep, not whatever FWD Fiat clown car it wants to sully the Jeep name with this time.)

Cheers or Jeers: 19,000 Mile 1963 Buick Riviera Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item3a71017edf

Cheers or Jeers: 34,000 mile 1957 Cadillac Eldorado Brougham Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1957-CADILLAC-ELDORADO-BROUGHAM-1-400-STAINLESS-ROOF-SALE-/230749502292?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35b9bdfb54

If that's a 2003 F250, it's got a Dana 50 in the front and a Sterling 10 1/2" in the rear, not a Dana 60/Dana70.

Cheers or Jeers: 13,000 Mile 1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item5648d3b037

Cheers or Jeers: 18,000 Mile 1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-CIERA-ONE-OWNER-SUPER-CLEAN-18K-RUNSGREAT-COLLECTOR-ITEM-/200717297058?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2ebbaee5a2

Cheers or Jeers: 1975 Chevrolet Vega GT Kamback Wagon Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item4162b2ce36

Like I said before, I need more information. Was it parked in a barn? Then I know to check for mouse damage. Was it parked outside? Then I know to check for a seized fuel pump. Was it parked in the weeds? Then I know to check the fuel/brake lines and floor/frame for rust. Only including "ran when parked" can mean anything from "just needs a new battery and fresh gas" to "the wiring is chewed up, the the fuel system is full of varnish; and I left the hood up with the aircleaner off so the crankcase is full of water." How hard is it to hook up some jumper cables and tell me if she cranks?

Cheer or Jeers: 1949? Chevrolet? Sedan Delivery? Link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1949-SEDAN-DELIVERY-CHOPPED-AIR-BAG-TPI-A-C-RESTO-MOD-/270915717128?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3f13d5c808

What phrase chaps the hide of anyone looking to buy a used car? "Ran when parked" Who was the offender that inspired this rant? This guy: http://stcloud.craig...2831238108.html Or more specifically, this: For those not versed in the dark arts of car repair, here's five things I can tell just looking at the picture: 1. Supposedly rebuilt cylinder head that obviously hasn't seen a machine shop or the paint would be gone in order to better check for cracks. 2. Water pump with a mounting bolt hole broken off. 3. No rag stuffed into the coolant hole in the head, so who knows what has fallen in there. 4. Carb is missing. 5. No oil filter, so probably no oil either. Given this information, why should I or anyone else care that the engine ran when it was parked, when it clearly is in no shape to do so now? It's one thing if a car is left untouched, but based on what he's said about it using oil and the careless storage, the engine is going to have to come apart. That's like saying it ran when it came off the factory floor or that time he drove it to his nephew's wedding 10 years ago. How is any of that relevant to its current state of disassembly? Plus, who is this guy's market? It's not someone looking for a cheap daily driver. It's not car guys, they'll see it and laugh him off. It's not British car guys, they're probably trying to sell an identical project in similar shape. Who is he trying to fool? Not to mention, "ran when parked" is a useless descriptor anyway. It says nothing about how long the vehicle has been parked, how it was stored or how well it was running when it did run. "Ran when parked" is only useful if other information is also divulged. For example. "The car ran when parked, but that was that was 75 years ago during the great depression." "The car ran when parked, but it was parked at the bottom of Great Salt Lake." "The car ran when parked, but wouldn't idle so I had to drive it everywhere at 7,000 rpm." So what do you think? Should the phrase "ran when parked" be relegated to the wrecking yard of irritating phrases, or is there a legitimate reason to mention it when selling a car?