Sixty8panther

Stick a fork in Saturn, they're DONE. Pontiac should get down to business concentrating on a mostly-RWD lineup, (too bad it can't be ALL RWD) and they should get any & all the European sports-minded econo-boxes from no on. Kill Saturn.

Annnnnd there you have it, another fantastic American built/designed GM sport sedan, a great product overall, only to have that one horrific Achilles's heel... FWD. How much cooler, more fun to drive & better matched against the BMW it would have been had it, and it's big sister the STS, been RWD? FWD = fail. (esp as a sports sedan) As far as Cupholders & rear leg room in the BWM... it's a German built driver's car, not a Toyota Avalon or Plymouth Acclaim. The 5-series is meant for driving on the Autobahn, Germans don't care about dumb $hit like that because they don't sip "tall Starbucks mocha-frapuchino-lattes" while texting on their Blackberry Storm, they ACTUALLY pay attention to the road, which is why they can get away with driving 80-12 mph on the highway legally & safely.

LoL @ WMJ. That Chevy is awesome, it also has more glass than my house, reminds of British Phone Booth.

The Hupmobile is gorgeous but too modern for me. Headlights should be on pods.

No.... nothing even close. Cause a '68 Camaro, '59 Buick 2-door-post, '64 Olds Super 88 (just to name a few) are alwys going to be worthless. Lest we forget the 455 Powered Buick that the moderator of this forum bought off me.

The Bugatti 57G: Where to begin...? It's a plethora of "cheap" & "poor execution" As far as the most aerodynamic car of its era being the Rumpler Tropfenwagen, I would argue a few others, but Balthazar has done it already done so with the Dymaxion & Scarab...

Excellent! Sounds like a plan, all that many more RWD hartops for ME. You can keep all of your f@#kus ZiTS, Contour SVTs & Tau666uses.

If THAT is the most significant vehicle of the21st century I might as well get busy saving up for a whole fleet of GM classics I'm going to convert to electric/bio-fuel/hydrogen.

Well I guess I'll just give a blanket apology. Sorry I go on too much about the superiority of RWD. [/my educated opinion] Conversely, I feel like many of you are constantly making excuses for FWD. Try as you may you CAN NOT tell me RWD &/or RB-AWD would not elevate this car's status & make it much more closer to being taken seriously by the very people who have $30-40K for a new car in this economy.

Good to hear. Thanks for the Update.

Everything will be OLD someday.... but not everything OLD is CRAP. i.e. W-bodys were flawed misguided Turdboxes right from their birth in the mid 1980s. But a 1959 Pontiac Bonneville, whether brand new, slightly used, rental car, company car, museum quality classic, survivor, beater, or even just a neglected relic in someone's side yard, buried in the weeds, is still a million times more desirable to me than a brandy-new W-body Pontiac. 50 years from now, your Grand Prix will just be another mistake by GM, while many of the "old, crappy" cars I buy/drive/sell will be priceless.

That '27 Chevy is awesome too!!!

UPS FTW!

Yeah, I came up with that a while back. It just clicked that the nose of these Toyopets has that quality, and that, if anything, is an insult to Spartans!

Let's see here's a choice: 1. Go to work tomorrow. 2. Stay home & watch TV. Just because there is a CHOICE does not mean both are equally good or acceptable or for that matter CORRECT. That's a FACT. Free will means use your head & discern the BEST choice, then act on it. I've been down the FWD road more than once. I do not CARE to go back, it's a fact most of FWD's shortcomings irritate me like a papercut on the tongue. FWD sucks. FWD sucks even MORE when the motor is F***ing sideways. FWD sucks more still when it's advertised as sporty. There that's MY oppinion. And many intelligent & well-read person, both car fanatic and not agree with me. There will probably never be a FWD car from the last three decades that I could learn to love. I have a pathetic childhood fascination wiht the Bustleback Caddy & I have almost bought one on a couple occcassions, if I had I'd own it wiht the understanding that it is a quirky toy, not proper transportation. The average persons' standards for a motor vehicle are PAHHH-THETIC in 2009. RWD is the one and only proper method of propelling a vehicle down a paved road. That's fact also my friend. It's PHYSICS! Rear-biased AWD is great but most people like myself do NOT want it in our car because it adds weight, cuts down on space in the engine compartment & floorpan & honestly it's utilized by many a loser to compensate for their idiotic driving habits or "Driftin' skillz" or in many cases, a LACK thereof. RB-AWD, RWD, FB-AWD, FWD That's the hierarchy for GOOD/BAD. Maybe you think I'm crazy, dumb, pissy or a hypocrite? ...good for you. If I wanted to get nasty I'd show you the photos of the dozens of RWD cars I've driven through snow that made drivers in FWD & AWD cars get stuck and piss their pants before calling Mommy or AAA. If the Sheeple were not phukin' morons & bought snow tires we'd never have to make FWD cars and I would have had to pay $450 to have the STEAL-ership drop down the Northstar in my Cadillac to replace the heater-blower motor... _LAME!

Yeah.... I respect John Deere eqipt. That being said a friend of my wife's got a John Deere themed Baby Shower. That is a bit too much IMHO. Though it could always be worse... Orange County [HackJob] Choppers Baby Shower theme FTL?

I say: If ever quad exhaust tips DID NOT "look silly" it's here. This thing is, as O.B. said, one of a few recent concept cars, worthy of being a great-grand child of THIS: PCS prob. WOULD buy a '98 pace car.

Moltar: Back in 1946 a $1000 would have prob. bought you a Duesenberg J dual cowl phaeton with flat tires, faded paint & a broken windshield, but I'm pretty sure that it would have been a damn good buy! Esp. Vesus the $2000 for a new Plymouth or Chevy. If I HAD $50,000 to spend on a brand new car I could get a brand new car/truck I want.... like a 2009 Escalade EXT or a CLK350 hardtop, or perhaps I could buy a G8-GT and deal with a B-pillar. (He-hehe) But as it stands I have $4000 invested in one of my dream cars, a pretty damn rare 1959 Buick, and my ability to score cheap cars is a tallent I;m proud of. Does it diminish the absolute mega-coolness of the 1931 Dual Cowl Phaeton Cadillac V-16 nicknamed "Red Devil" because after a half century in the original owners possession his widdow gave it back to GM for FREE?!?!?! It's still a Dual Cowl Phaeton (452-OHV) V-16 Cadillac DCP! When's the last time you saw a 1984 Euro-spec. 500SEC in the states? It cost as much as TWO Corvettes when new, and it WILL absolutely give me more enjoyment than any new car I could afford, evne though plenty of people like to poke fun at me cause I OWN all my cars outright. I have four titles in my filing cabinet, that's pretty damn good. ZERO monthly payment. AND NO, the grass is NOT greener for me on your side... :wink: Well we've all got standards. I personally dislike FWD, actaully in MOST cars I HATE it. FWD in an automobile is like using a plastic spork form KFC & a rusty X-acto knife to eat a $70 Steak dinner & lathering every bite in Ketchup. It's dumb, maybe you can fool yourself into thinking it's somehow OK or (if you;re a really delusional prick) that it is somehow BETTER, but at the end of the day I'll take a stainless steel silverware set thankyooverymuch! For the record save me your lectures on the Aurora, I've owned a 1997 STS (WHICH DID NOT COST $1000) and I'm very familiar with most any Modern FWD car. I used to work at 5 different dealerships, ALL GM, not by accident either, and I've driven most everything including a few exotics. & yes the Aurora (it's really an Olds 88) V6 is a decent car... for a FWD modern tincan.

Nope. Sorry. Variety IS the spice of life. That's why there's DIFFERENT types of RWD cars to choose from: 1. RWD, Iron-block Pushrod V8, Automatic Trans, BOF, Open Live Rear Axle, four door hardtop (472-powered Cadillac Sedan deVille hardtop) 2. RWD, Aluminum SOHC V8, 4-speed Automatic, Unibody, IRS-posi, hardtop coupe ('84 MB 500SEC) 3. Rear-Biased-AWD, Unibody, Bi-turbo-I6, 6-speed manual, IRS, four door sedan (BMW 328xi) 4. RWD, Aluminum-block Pushrod V8, 6-speed manual, Unibody, Limited Slip Live Axle, 4-door Sedan (Pontiac G8-GT) 5. RWD, DOHC-V12, 4-speed Automatic, Unibody, IRS, 2-door hardtop (BMW 850) 6. RWD, Iron-block Pushrod V8, 4-speed Automatic, BOF, Limited Slip Live Axle, 4-door sedan (94-96 Impala SS) 7. RWD, Aluminum-Block, Supercharged, DOHC V8, 5-spd Auto, Unibdy, IRS (STS-V) 8. etc... you get the point!

Seriously, Reverse-Front-Wheel-Burnouts? Fkucing ultra_LAME!!! Even that car, awesome as it is, is handicapped by its incorrect drive wheels.

Care to x-plain?

Oh yeah, and before I forget $37,000 for a Front-wheel biased AWD V6 powered car? It's just as laughable to me as those equally overpriced buck-toothed Acura cars. And the slap in the face is that there's V8 powered RWD cars that get equal MPG.

At least it's way better looking than the current Tau500ass. That frumpy, Awkwardly-tall & super-bland sedan was not exactly winning any buyers based on styling. The 1st Gen. Mustang retro inspired interior is quite nice, for a modern car.... Wow... that is one of the most pathetic statements I've ever read in my life. Boy, this author sounds easily impressed. Obviously he's seen about as many 1950s/pre-war/exotic engines as Ray Charles or Helen Keller.