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Well, I know this much A. Every car pictured is still worthy of GT status B. "Muscle car" is not a segment.

Really, they may as well refine the current one....after all, the W-body was kept for 16 years....if that's good enough, and Ep II isn't revolutionary and flexible, Ep I's good enough to continue another ten years. It hurts to not really be able to influence the direction they're going.

The Today show: -Some nondescript early 60s intermediate convertible shot down La Cienega. I'll be back and find out what it was. -68 AMX (and it was beat too!!) -73 or something Delta 88 Royale 4-dr. -55 Chevy wagon

Quite possibly the hottest of all time: The European Escort RS Turbo (how I wish they built this in America): Couldn't send the starting post without the Escort Cosworth.

Forgot how I spotted that rare flat-hood Volvo 240 GT 2-door. You may laugh, but those used to kill the touring car races.

WHAT?!? Oh, come on....Monte Carlo, Riviera, Eldorado, CL? Those aren't GTs of any kind, they're personal luxury cars. A Challenger is a GT, but F-body and Mustang, the cars that inspired it, are not? My definition of grand tourer may be as skewed as the at-large view that a coupe is a two-door car. But to say that cars as monstrous as Monte Carlos are GTs, one may as well call a Camry a sports car. F-bodies, as long as later version were, are too small? They're longer than Soarer, XK8, and XJS. While I'll admit that F-bodies and Mustangs are pretty low-tech, just because a car is embraced by the boy-racer crowd doesn't take away its GT status. Same with Supra and 928. To me, if it's a 2+2 with a grown man's engine and a laid-back feel, it's definitely a GT. The back seat, by and large is window dressing, but if it wasn't there, it would take away from the car. Disliking Toyota, thinking Chevy and Pontiac can only make muscle cars, and prices under 40K don't take away from a car being a grand tourer either. And to Turbojett, 2-seaters, 4-doors, and cars that aren't front-engine don't count IMO.

Aston Martin Virage Vantage

Lotus Excel:

You ever live with one long enough, it's definitely a GT (I had and loved an '82)....it can be both, but when thought of beyond the context of drag ricing, Supras are as grand touring as they come. Plus you have pricks saying that the current GTO or an F-body can't be GTs because we like to call anything American with a V-8 and sportiness a "musclecar," which is kind of a derogatory term IMO.

Do I dare start this argument again?

Mercury and Plymouth, to me, were the Pontiac of Ford and Chrysler respectively. I would sometimes think Starsky & Hutch's car might have been a Duster instead of a Gran Torino.

Usually front-engine 2+2s, fastback or notchback, meaty engine, nice long hood, packed with creature comforts and bang for the buck. Pure style, absolute driving pleasure. The ultimate true personal car. A grown man's sports car in every respect. The great GM V-8 powered Bitter SC Not to be confused with the Ferrari 400i

I've been saying for a while now that there should be a new personal-feeling Grand Prix, with suicide doors and a CLS-like profile, and that it can be built on a stretched Epsilon intermediate platform or whatever the hell the big platform will be named. The upright stuff, IMO, should be left to Buick, even if it had the same engine. I've also figured that the car, if one wanted it to stay a more upright true five-adult-seater, could bring about the feel of an Audi S8, and get the Bonneville moniker (maybe Catalina could be the base model). This would have to be on the big chassis. Many have weighed in with speculation or thoughts that Pontiac will build a standard four-door sedan to compete with the Charger, and that a stand-alone GTO coupe will be part of that group. I personally don't think the GTO should be a big car, but moved to the intermediate group. Regardless, there shouldn't be a V-6 of any kind coming anywhere near this car. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

My Kappa wishlist: Pontiac Phoenix compacts: four-place coupe/sedan/wagon (Ecotec, Atlas 5, could easily be engineered for an Atlas 6 or, for a limited production model, a V-8. Why should it be stuck with a pushrod V-6?) Buick Thrasher compact sedan (Ecotec turbo, HF) Pontiac Firebird grand touring car: 2+2 coupe, targa coupe, convertible (again, Atlas 6 and V-8s of two sizes) Chevy Camaro (ditto, but not in looks, and no targa model available) Pontiac Solstice coupe the discontinuation of the Sky!! I think a Cadillac compact (named Manchester) and a new Eldorado should stick to Sigma

Pre-Legacy Subaru wagons are just disgusting.

Why is that sorry? You should have included a first-gen SW2 as well. I found Saturn wagons quite stylish.

Seeing those beautiful, racy Mercurys makes me wonder where they lost their way....

None of those Ford-division fastbacks top the mighty Mercury Cyclone GT:

As long as they don't do a 4-dr. sedan version, the Yaris is credible. Whatever about the RAV4, I hate SUVs anyway.... Anyone ever notice that some brands' lineups in the U.S. market now have more SUVs than cars? Honda and Ford are two major offenders. Nissan and Toyota have the exact same number of cars and SUVs.

Yeah, the sedan is definitely for the ladies....but that 5 is a good hatch.

Have any of you been into the huge nightie-length white t-shirt syndrome? Do the corner stores sell the Pro Club brand like they do here?

I can't believe no one named off Camcord...those things are so aimed at women, Barbie should have one. Chicks were also big on Tercels at one point. And back off the Spectra 5, Brian...I'd consider one, and it's got enough power to do something with. Besides, I've only ever seen one on the street (don't know who was behind the wheel though).

I also thought round headlights meant old car and rectangular lights meant new.

Weren't you in like Lord Of The Rings or something?