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No it is just bad taste - considering GM used to court CR management to informally critique their product and share their opinions and lessons learned. I know I was there and have seen the evidence first hand.

2008 MY is impossible based upon the status and timing of the program. The dates for the vehicle are out there. Key milestones are still a ways away with the suppliers, though the program ice breakers have started over the last few weeks. Lutz should be retired before this vehicle comes out. Also - when zeta was put sent back for a dynamite and rebuild last year - the GMX-285 was still the lead vehicle prior to it getting the final axe. 285 was to be initially released in about a year. When 285 went through a second VPI study and re-timed - SOP was pushed back accordingly. Now that 285 has become the Camaro in spirit, the time has been somewhat carried over. When 285 was pushed back it was pushed back for a true rebuild and that was reflected in the timing. Are you refering to a Replicator?

The above is an opinion from someone that has never spent any time within the inside of GM, collected a paycheck from GM, or for that matter, worked in automotive, seriously studied automotive (formally and informally), or for that matter has a direct working knowledge of automotive. So I will conclude that your opnion is not rooted in an educated basis on the subject.

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Not in business. Institutional holders, BOD and to an extent the UAW are the opinions that matter. Sorry but your opinion, my opinion and the rest of the public's opinions on a meassage board do not matter. Hell even the public stock holders are out voted by the institutional investors. You do not understand the problems that GM has or what has been happening the past 5 years at GM. There is not a silver bullet nor will a management shake up do anything positive or change the current restructuring plan. You obviously have never worked in a large organization before from the above statements, and in nothing as complex as GM or mass manufacturing, or if so not observant. What will change if Wagoner is gone would be nothing drastic, that is unless there is something big in the closet that has not been made public.

Sounds like Lori Queen was put in her place - What she did was a no no and was uncalled for.

So now that we are not all that far off after all - One thing is certain from the above discussion - 2007 is OUT. ))<>((

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Oh the White House has already given their answer to this one. And really - do you want the Feds running GM? There are enough examples out there so I will not elaborate.

For those that have seen the movie I love the Huckabees: ))<>((

It really depends if the job is currently getting done or not according to the restructuring schedule and the closed door meeting with labor as seen by the BOD. At this point - public opinions are meaningless and irrelvant. It will take any new person from the inside a year or so to learn the position and develop solutions - if from the outside - it will take that much longer to learn the process internal to GM. GM has about 2 years left to right the wrongs in the US operations and turn the ship around.

Do pigs fly? I agree - great analysis and summation. That hits the nail on the head. PSII - Yes very good, I re read this a couple of times. That is the truth. PSIII - I give credit where credit is due. Good job.

I did not ask you opinion on what you think should happen but what will happen so I will ask again; What will happen if Rick goes? Be clear, alterations in strategy means what exactly?

If Wagoner goes it is symbolic and both parties(Rick and BOD) know it. Heir apparent appears to be Henderson. An outsider will not be brought in, there is no time for a learning curve. Wagoner has his Golden Parachute because he knows he might go for the symbolic reasons and not because the plan will will change. If he goes there will not be a house cleaning; it would disrupt all the work that has already transpired.

CD - LOL I have a gut feeling CG is getting constipated again. You know what that means. PS - Do you know if the Ides would make a good laxative! PS2 - Since I wrote this I got a PM showing the CPCB is also in need of an enema. Do a search on CG for constipation. It will pop up.

This imbecil still would like to know: If Wagoner is replaced tomorrow, what will change? Who will replace him?

It is a legacy problem - 30 + years of bad decisions in the US operations, where it currently hurts them most right now: 1) product 2) labor For the product there is no excuse except being out of touch. Labor is another issue all together and that is a question without an answer. There is lot that has gone on behind the scenes that you are not aware of or transparent to the public. The company and how it is organized is not what it was when Roger Smith took over. Roger Smith would be lost. A few GM employees who post here could chime in on this. Many of the current product problems as Croc stated stem from Zarella. That is not an excuse - but a legacy that needs to take time to work out. Time that GM can not afford. Of course years... and many of the structural issues are for the most part addressed. GM has been cutting billions out of their process for years now, under Wagoner. Wagoner has two major issues to address, product and labor/retirees. Only by working with the UAW can that one get resolved. That could take time GM does not have working for them. That is where you need a history lesson. The period between 1985 - 1992 was a lot worse. That is not to say, they are not getting close. This time around though, GM is a lot leaner and has product in the pipeline. But the problem this time is GM does not have full control of one of the key issues that really ailes them. The UAW and GM retirees????

It's a public website - have at it. It took me long enough to find that data.

Not if I upset you because I agree with your comments 100%. ha ha

If Wagoner is replaced tomorrow, what will change?

If Wagoner is replaced tomorrow IMO this is what will change and there are 2 options: 1) Nothing - move symbolic and the BOD approved restructuring plan will go on as planned and the UAW, retirees and Street will know the situation is dire and are more likely to see that. or 2) Move symbolic and all hell will break loose because the BOD approved restructuring plan will be expedited. a - Product will not change, nor will timing from current plans. b - The UAW question will go nuclear. c - DPH gets hung out to dry. d - Strike certain. e - Red ink.........Chapter 11 all but certain. f - Government steps in to force labor back to work. g - Market share drops.

And another question that needs to be asked is: If Wagoner is replaced tomorrow, what will change?

Since you are by far the wisest person that has ever occupied a Lazy Boy - Who should take Ricks place?

Until the revised statements are released and I hope they are audited, we do not know why the discrepency.