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Of course it... Its 2022 for phoque's sake... You move it... Chargers are close to tourist places. OMG...you will have to move the car... Exactly on the small inconvenience. 1st world problems... That you have to move a car...on vacation. Spending hundreds of dollars if not thousands visiting another place buying useless trinket souvenirs and dining like a pig in restaurants... Dude... It aint an inconvenience. Just because you say it is doesnt make it so... Hell, it aint even a compromise with the amount of other time wasting shyte we do in our regular daily lives. Including posting on internet forums...

Its hard to remain civil when falsehoods keep on repeating themselves... When logic is interfered with nonsensical fear mongering and absolute alternative facts. Now...I understand that your truth is true in some instances... But... This is the kind of bullshyte opinion that bugs me... 1. 80% of the US population LIVES in the largest US cities. In the East Coast. Although the PNW has a large population and the PNW IS trying to accomodate the EV revolution. 2. So...a possible inconvenience for the 20% means that EV Hertz rent-car should be ditched when the 80% wont feel a thing? When discussing, mention right off the bat that there WILL be an inconvenience to the 20% of the American population that is not populated. Places like Wyoming and Utah... I underrated this. You do too. But your discussion of things is very disingenuous ...

I live somewhere in the Montreal region. For whatever reason, I dont own a car. I want to rent a vehicle to go to Stowe Vermont for skiing or Lake Placid to see the former winter Olympic site. From a central spot in Laval, to Stowe, its a 118 mile drive. From that same Centropolis Laval spot to Lake Placid, its an almost equal distance. 123 miles. I chose Laval to be at a more north point to the US... 250-320 mile range.... Ski for 2-3 hours or explore the former Olympic site for about as much time and the EV is charged while I do what I need to do while Im NOT using the EV and the EV is ready to go back home... Go back home, the car is charged somewhere and the next day when the car is due to go back tom Hertz and no problem renting an EV. The charging somewhere might pose a slight inconvenience, but the bigger picture is that I, we friends or family, skied in Stowe or visited Lake Placid. Bigger picture here... And not that big of a deal to charge a phoquing EV... Mountain out of a mole hill. And I could do that with somebody flying to Toronto and then wanting to visit Niagara Falls. Including then US side... Or any other place in the US that is populated and not in the middle of middle America nowhere...

Just because YOU judge the Hummer EV harshly because its not an efficient EV, doesnt make your opinion a correct one. Your opinion is shyte and false. Your judgment is wrong and stupid. Ditto for everything else that I just mentioned. Dodge Hellcat offers a track mode. Its a good enough track car. The Hellcat is not THE best track car around, because it does NOT have the right engineering components for it to be. YOU know that ESPECIALLY as a car enthusiast that you are. But you will say ANYTHING just to be a contrarian to what the CORRECT response should be. You do you. As far as the EV rent-a-car thing goes. 250-320 mile range gets you driving in a city for about 4 days without recharging. Same as a a gas powered car. When vacationing, one also walks in a city of vacation to get to actually see the phoquing city. Boston, New York, Montreal, Houston, Los Angeles, Chicago, ALL have GREAT restaurants. AWESOME shopping quarters. Boston, New York, Montreal all have GREAT historic sites that walking is the ONLY way of exploring. Driving is NOT an option when doing these things. The EV, if need be, gets to be charged during THIS time period when exploring the vacationing destination on foot therefore no time wasted on your part charging the EV... Going to the beach in Greece or Miami or South Carolina...the EV is just used getting to the beach. For 3-4 hours, you are swimming and playing water games and eating on the boardwalk. The EV gets to be charged during this time... Going to Disneyworld or Land in Anaheim or Orlando or any other theme park. If you dont hotel in the park itself and have to drive there, the EV gets charged while you explore the theme park. Its fair to say that one spends a good 6 hours at these parks... Plenty of time to get a FULL charge. As with ALL scenarios I mentioned... Full charge means 250-320 mile range... YOU know that as YOU have mentioned that to several posters that may have range anxiety about 250-320 mile ranges... That would be 3-4 days of driving great distances per day. Vacation time is usually 2 weeks... Walking and exploring on foot is done probably MOST of that 2 week span. Even if one goes to Montreal and then wants to go to Quebec City. One walks downtown Montreal. Then one walks Old Montreal. The EV is fully charged and no need to charge up going to Quebec City. One charge. When one gets to Quebec City, one recharges the EV. But one WALKS to see Quebec City. No need to drive as Quebec is small and quaint. On that same charge, one goes back to Montreal, back to the hotel. One charges up the EV while fine ding in Montreal and 250-320 mile range is at your disposal again. One gets to drive 3-4 days before one gets to leave to go back home. Montreal's airport is less than 15 miles away from the downtown core anyway... 15 miles... 250-320 mile range for the average EV in 2022... Again... your judgement is wrong. Whether you are being a contrarian, obtuse on purpose or just forgetful on some facts and dont apply them properly, your opinion is shyte and false. Your judgment is wrong and stupid and its annoying as phoque when the same shyte is spewed by you time and time again...

You are just a contrarian... Nobody is DEBATING that it is atrocious. Because it IS. But what the Hummer EV is NOT, and NEVER was meant to be, nor was it EVER marketed as such, the Hummer ICE or EV was never a Prius from Toyota... I dont care what you would say about a 1000hp/tq getting 8 mpg. But its comically hypocritical of you to bash the EV Hummer in this way and downright Fox News style, Tucker Carlson/Kellyanne Conway/Alex Jones/ misinformation/alternative facts messed up opinion is what you are doing right now. Same as the Hertz EV rent-a-car... Its annoying as hell what you are doing. Judge the phoquing thing as as what it is, NOT for what it isnt... Its the same phoquing thing when we debated about the Dodge Challenger Hellcat and Tesla Model S Plaid not being track cars and you slyly and connivingly tried to troll your way in telling me I should have a problem with Dodge because they offer in the TV screen thing an option called "track mode" on the Hellcat... But hey...you do you. PS

1.6 miles/KW is a true joke. I agree. The EV Hummer stays true to its original Hummer statement of pi&&ing on environmentalists!!! This I find very funny!!! But alas, the EV Hummer is also a poster car. None of the poster cars that I know of are efficient in energy use or good for the environment. So Im totally OK with the EV Hummer getting shytty mileage kilowattage(?)

I didnt know that. Thanx for the info. No need to top up... 15 minutes gets you 80%.. That is right NOW! Today's battery tech and fast charging. And another thing, Regular EVs right now have a range of 250-300 miles. Uber EVs are pushing 400 plus miles. Some claim 500. Others are pursuing 600 and more (Mercedes and surprise...BMW) EVs right NOW are on par with ICE ranges with 300 miles... Common, CCAP... You know that what you are spewing is just shyte fear mongering... That is the cost of doing business... Its a service and a commodity. However, the free market system and competition always finds a way to compensate or reward a frequent user... Herz and lets say Hilton Hotels and Shell and a consortium of public charging stations could have a loyalty program or package or something... as an example... Rome wasnt built in a day. And gasoline stations werent built to as ubiquitous as they are today in just 5 years either. But by 2035-2040 though... And gasoline wont be as cheap as it is now. You think gasoline will be purposely cheap or expensive when an agenda to go all EV will be?

This is what we need. yes. But its the Biden administration, right? How many republicans, Ted Cruz and Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson types and Texas folk that are oil crazy will actually back up this bill? And vice versa of course if it would have been Trump. And Trump would have NEVER done this because of his 'base'...

Like I said, restaurants, McDonald's and In and Out Burger and grocery stores and all kinds of public parking lots with businesses could have charging ports as well as designated stations. And its not as if charging times with these new batteries and systems take a long time with level 2 charging. On avg., 15 minutes gets you 80% of a full charge on a 250-320 mile range EV. Common... Like I said, lots of unnecessary fear...

That is the cost of doing business... Its a service and a commodity. However, the free market system and competition always finds a way to compensate or reward a frequent user... How is that any different from gassing up? But maybe Herz and lets say Hilton Hotels and Shell and a consortium of public charging stations could have a loyalty program or package or something... yes. I know that! ?

you could only fill up a gasoline powered car in a gas station. Charging ports should be ubiquitous like gas stations are. Charging ports are easier to erect than gas stations are. Charging stations could not only BE at specific charging stations only specializing in charging, but almost everywhere there is space and shopping or dining is made where the driver on an EV is out and about doing other things other than just filling up his EV with a charge. Its that simple... And its actually being done like how I say, not only in other parts of the world, but in the US itself, but there are far too many anti-EV rhetoric outlets in the US and the fear of EVs has set in and a stall in progress for charging stations has ensued in some parts of the US...

Yes. Sure. The way it is now now. EVs have been politicized in the US (like everything else), and much whining has been made about public charge systems. Now...as in NOW... would be a good GREAT time to actually STOP the whining about charging times and public chargers and ridiculous talking points about range anxiety and start building up the damn charging infrastructure instead of whining against it. American businesses, all levels of governments at the city, state and federal levels could get involved in building up a charge network... I googled and came across some awesome stuff... Ill just post some pics and American capitalism should be able to do the rest... In the US we act like a few cables and a little plastic box with sensors and adaptors is such an unsurmountable feat. Like its a total impossibility and harder to accomplish than burying large tanks underground and fill them up with that flammable liquid time and time again...talk about logistical nightmare, but we have perfected it,...and these are literally everywhere. And talk about a PERFECT place to put EV chargers since gasoline stations are EVERYWHERE. And the thing is, charging stations, public and in the city could be endless as tanks need not be buried and designated in special places... And let me whine about something... NO NEED to transport the electricity to the charge port like a gasoline truck does to the gas station as electricity travels ITSELF!!! Just in case somebody missed it, solar panels on the charge ports produce electricity to alleviate the other shytty talking point...

I do not know what you mean by that. Either you mean it that a contract lasting 5 years is a long time. or that you think the contracts starts 5 years from now. Im thinking you are thinking its option #2. But the contract starts now OVER the next 5 years it says. Technically it starts the first quarter of 2023. Up to 175 000 EVs of all kinds. A drop in the bucket but its still 1750 000 units. It will help with monies coming in and factories producing regardless the amount... For the next 5 years...

I dont get the hate it got. I hate Trump as much as the next guy, and he didnt even come up with it...as you pointed out and @David showed us with his link, it is a beautiful livery. And quite presidential. Modern would be another adjective. The guy is a conman, but that doesnt mean he doesnt have taste. OK...I take that back... So phoquing gaudy. I like showey showey myself, and Im quite loud and egotistical, but yeah...Im not into the King Midas gold thing... And the French Provincial thing on the side and that chandelier, man.... I was born in 1973, not 1773 or even 1873... Neither was he... I like the robin egg blue and gold accents. It looks good on a 747. But I think that that livery's time has come. A more modern take would be great. I am Canadian so maybe MY voice should be hushed on that matter... I understand the darker colours being problematic with heat retention and electronics, it is a shame that the proposed livery is a no-go.

I never thought of it that way. And guess what? You are correct! Yes. The 747 is a beauty. Still after all these decades. I know your heart is in San Franc Seattle...and Ill agree to a point that the A380 may not be as attractive and pleasing to the eye as the 747. She is a bit of a hefty girl. But she needs to be that way. She is a double decker all the way through. She has adopted an oval (egg) shape all the way through JUST like the 747 is only like that on its 'hump'. I get your Seattle pride, but...the A380 is beautiful in its own unique way. And its fine that you dont like her. Aside Airbus' several mistakes on her The timing of her launch was miscalculated as jumbo jet flying for most airlines was coming to an end as single engined wide bodies and flying preferences changed the game. Airbus actually DID initially design her as a transport plane, but changed the cockpit placement at the last minute negating a transport version. Had they stayed the course and made the cockpit above the nose to open up like the 747, the 747 would have died almost immediately. Airports WOULD have spent money to accommodate the A380. Airlines, despite Boeing's effort with the 747-8 would have balked at it and the A380 would have taken its place. Despite her girth, heft and sheer size, she flies elegantly... So put THAT in your Boeing pipe and smoke it!!!

Not to mention GM's EV1 That was a thing in the mid-1990s

CDs are older than you think... Press 'play' A song from 1984... Invented in 1979, released in 1982. Laser Discs in the 1960s, but the DVD took its place in the 1990s. Cassettes and VHS/Beta were the mediums for so long because of recordability. Back to CDs... CDs took over in the late 1980s over the LP. Didnt take long for the LP to be replaced by the CD. Cassettes soldiered on because of recordability. But once the CD became recordable, about the mid 1990s, the cassettee was gone. DVDs came to be about this time too. But at the turn of the 2000s, MP3 players/ipods and downloadable music became the norm and that spelled the end of the CD. Now we have spotify, youtube, and icloud storage... and all kinds of streaming apps and websites, legally paid for or grey area free... No need to record or keep physical copies to be played back on a machine. Just a machine, be it a PC or smartphone, TV orr even a car, ICE or EV, that can access the internet... But going back to the EV thing, computers have been a part of our daily lives, excluding gaming machines like Ataris and Colecovisions and Nintendos, since the mid 1990s when we started to really rely on them for daily shyte...

That is a good start. To overcome the unnecessary fears of rotary electric motors, batteries and computers. Because you are overly dramatic... Common man... suuuuuch advanced technology? The theory of electric motors goes back. Waaaaaay back. The idea of a United States of America is actually younger than the experiments of electrostatic motors... This as a functioning motor as we know it today that powers HVAC systems, fans, vacuum cleaners, RC motors, sewing machines, drills and other power tools, washing machines, water pumps, elevators, escalators, computer disc drives, etc... since the 1830s... Batteries have been with us since the early 1800s too. We have been changing batteries in our toys for 100 years. We have been recharging our toys the last 30. Computers? We have been accustomed to computers the last 50 years and computers have been by our side 24/7/365 the last 20. EV cars are hardly suuuuuuch advanced technology. Stop being suuuuuch a drama queen!!! Fair enough...

Perfectly stated!!!