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Naw! I just need folk to be consistent with their beefs. Toyota has a perception of being reliable. False hopes. Camry and Corolla. And even those have had shytty years along the way with no accountability from the fans. Th Hilux, from the late 1990s and early 2000s had frames failing... Not a phoquing peep of dissent. @surreal1272 you do have a level head. Far more than 99% of all posters I have encountered along the way. But common buddy... Toyota aint all that... Same crap from lazy 80s and 90s GM, Toyota has been. And in some cases. WORSE!!!

I wanna know why are we obsessing so much on reliability? Its clear that foreign car owners of the Toyota and Mercedes kind dont hold the same standards of reliability when they still shun vehicles from Detroit because had they kept the same outrage they do against Detroit, they would have NEVER bought a German or Japanese car in the 1st place since German and Japanese cars were atrocious wwaaaaaayyyyyy before Detroit was. And, even for a very very, very very VERY brief time between the mid-80s to the mid 90s for the Japanese cars, that Japan DID produce reliable cars, Japanese cars just went down the loo again. And that would be for a select few Japanese models that were reliable. Most were shyttier than anything that Detroit produced. For every Camry that was reliable, there was a Cressida and a Celica that was shyttier than anything coming out of Detroit at that time that was the 1980s. Sure a 1980s Corolla and a Hilux were indestructible so to speak. All Toyotas even as late as the 1980s, were rust buckets... Corrosion problems far worse than anything coming out of Detroit. As far as German cars go... Nothing German can be called reliable at ANYTIME after WW2. With the exception of MODERN Porsche 911s and a W123 Mercedes. the hypocrisy is outstanding!!! And Im fed up of it! Its been since the 1990s that Im fed up with this shytty narrative!!!

It will be faster than the Hellcats. By a decent amount. As much, but not as fast probably, as the Lucid Airs, and the Plaid. Why? 1. that transmission... Its supposed to look like a Dodge, sound like a Dodge and DRIVE like a Dodge. (Its supposed to look like a muscle car, sound like a muscle car and DRIVE like a muscle car) It will have shift points, like a Porsche Taycan (2 speed transmission), but unlike a Porsche Taycan, it will have 3-4-5-6 shift points to make you feel that punch. (Remember, Lucid Airs and Teslas have very fast LINEAR acceleration...1 gear only that makes it just go...) THAT may cost valuable tenths of seconds for 0-x times and 1/4 mile times. 2. It may not need to beat these other EVs (Air, Taycan, Plaid) in acceleration outright if only a tenth or 2 seconds off BECAUSE it will undoubtedly FEEL and drive like a Dodge and a muscle car. 3. Also, it will have an electronic software 'nitrous' button on the steering wheel called PowerShot that will produce an extra burst of horsepower to overcome any shift delay and punch its way through as to stay as close to if not downright overcome a Taycan, Plaid and Air. It will also have sport, drag, track and more importantly, donut modes to look like a Dodge, sound like a Dodge and DRIVE like a Dodge. (look like a muscle car, sound like a muscle car and DRIVE like a muscle car) Drag mode will certainly be interesting for acceleration times. 4. The Taycan, Plaid and Air will most certainly be 50% more pricier to buy anyway... Tim Kuniskis did say that all EVs are fast, even the boring ones whilst showing a Prius and Bolt like renderings when explaining what kind of EV Dodge is doing. Dodge is doing EVs THEIR way. What is basically what they are defining what an EV muscle car should be. Detroit did fast ICE cars in the 1960s the only way they knew how. And Dodge is was front and center in that time. Detroit and Dodge didnt care what Europe was doing. Like then, it seems Dodge doesnt care what Silicone Valley is doing. And I for one, if Dodge continues with this road and E-Muscle the way they just showed us, Im on board!!! Hope Ford and Chevy jump on board with Dodge's vision of E-Muscle and along with sustainable business and fans and this EV thing will be a blast!!! A muscle car renaissance!!!

Me too. That blue is siiiiiick! The whole exterior package, regardless if it looks like a 1990s product, is super dope. (how's that for a 1990s expression complimenting the Air's looks?

I made a thread on this. My opinion on it!

I had done a thread about this. My opinion on it!!!

A Trailblazer SS is just the 1969 or 1970 Chevelle SS that we never got in 2006 in SUV form. BOF hasnt been a Corvette thing since 1984. The C4. Sorry. Try again!

https://www.lucidmotors.com/media-room/introducing-sapphire-pinnacle-of-electric-performance Lucid just unveiled a new trim of their super sport EV sedan. The Sapphire. This new Sapphire upstages its own Air Dream by adding adding another 100 HP from 1111 to about 1200 plus via adding another of their compact motor in the rear making it a tri-motor set-up. Dual in the rear and single up front. Look out Tesla Model S Plaid. Lucid says 0-60 is less than 2 seconds. 100 MPH is reached in under 4 secs and the 1/4 mile is said to be sub 9 secs. All metrics beating the Plaid buy a few tenths. The Plaid to 60 is 2.1 secs, 100 MPH takes 4.3 seconds and the 1/4 mile is @ 9.4 Any Air interior just shytes on any Teslas' interior but regarding the Sapphire, the Plaid is half the price too. But a new performance beast that sets the bar and speed records (maybe...as the Plaid is absolutely real and proven...) is about to be set loose... The part that I like most about the Sapphire is that there are plenty, but more or less subtle, differences between the lesser Airs and the Sapphire. Unlike the Model S and the Plaid.

Its a gamble in the sense that all of the automotive world has put all their eggs in the EV basket. Not just Chrysler and Dodge by eliminating their V8 muscle cars and going E-muscle. Cadillac's last new V8 engined vehicle is the Escalade V. The sedans in ICE form are nearing death as well. Its scary in the sense that Cadillac's sole vehicle that actually everybody "gets" and understands and accepts and knows its a genuine Caddy and Cadillac has any real success AND is known to be the TOP Caddy is the Escalade. Cadillac also has a cult t following in the V sedans and Cadillac has just fused the two together... It IS scary and a head scratcher to think that Cadillac will put those models to the side in a short few years to offer an electric UV as its newest luxury ride NOT named Escalade and is doubling down on THE most expensive Cadillac on sale EVER with a brand new halo sedan NOT named Escalade... Keep in mind its a sedan and NOT a brash fullsized SUV... Any other brand new entrant for Cadillac the last 20 years has performed mediocrely in the market place. As far as Dodge goes with the end of their V8 muscle and its V6 counterparts and ushering in a new EV era... They kinda have no choice. The ENTIRE industry is forcing them to do so. The ENTIRE world political environment is as well. V8 afficianados will have no choice, sooner than later, but to submit. They could NOT buy new, and live with their V8s, but MOPAR will eventually end support for this ICE platform. American counties will also make it super difficult to maintain ICE vehicles in ways that forcing masks and vaccines down our throats will seem very tame, even to the rightest of the rightest extremist. These V8 aficionados will never ever buy an EV anyway. They would rather be content with a 1.5 liter wizzbanger 4 cylinder turbo dropped into a Corvette driving the front wheels than buy an EV... When you think about it, especially the way the Dodge Charger EV is, Dodge is doing electric muscle the right way because at least they didnt mess with their brand image despite them going EV with their muscle cars. My thoughts on this topic.

Tim Kuniskis' unveiling of this beast. Clear brand focus directives that were needed for Dodge to retain their current successful image. No numbers of any kind have been spoken. MSRP, HP, etc... Some range is sacrificed is hinted at though. To retain muscle car attitude. Fair enough. But family hauling duties along with inclement weather regions were thought of with this beast. Engineering, as he stated, was at the forefront of designing E-Muscle. About EV sounds This is the route Porsche went with. Porsche too, had an objective to have a distinct EV sound. Im not sure if Porsche used a resonator and amplifier and tuned it like Dodge did. But Porsche's sound does sound more natural EV-ish and it does sound awesome as well. Already, Porsche and Dodge have made it a point that EV sounds need not be whiny but be part of brand image just like how ICEs are and about to be...were.

This is what Im talking about. This is the kind of car, any car, ICE or EV that I need and want in my life. I desperately want this. The sound. Yes its fabricated. I believe its an authentic electric motor sound, tuned and manipulated to sound like that. But that aint no different from how Ferrari tunes its engines, headers and exhaust, to sound the way they do. Chevy has done the same with the SBC and went to Ferrari levels of tuning with the LT6 flat plane 5.5 liter. Yamaha engines like the Lexus LFA V10 has been tuned to sound awesome... Yamaha for those that want to be ignorant about this is not just a motorcycle company. They make musical instruments of all kinds. They specialize to make sounds that sound good in our ears. They literally make music... This concept definitely makes me forget about the Hellcat. After hearing Tim Kuniskis speak, I know this is coming. I also know some sort of 4 door will also be available. A Dodge EV me thinks will be in my driveway, unless Ford or Chevy upstages this. Only hiccup I sees with my decision in buying into a Stellantis EV is if the tech falls short of FoMoCo's or GM's Ultium platform But, I got faith. The French(Citroen and Peugeot) have been selling EVs for awhile now. I dunno how that tech stacks up to Lucid, Ultium, Ford, Tesla...but since Stellantis also consists of Opel, a good engineering company, and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep these SRT engineers who are great in what they do, I dont see how Stellantis EV tech to be not competitive. Not to mention Fiat and Maserati and most importantly, Ferrari. Yes, Ferrari. Stellantis still owns shares in Ferrari and I would imagine Stellantis would have some access to Ferrari engineering if only it even was just for consultation. Ferrari engineers are still excellent in what they do. There are some very talented folk at Stellantis if we are to be serious about talking about engineering. Stellantis is not a small company...

As will I. To miss the (now, even though they are still in production and for another year) classic muscle cars Challenger and Charger. Hopefully an EV muscle car named Charger comes along in a decent amount of time to where I could have it for winter driving as well. Ill be happy with that. If not, a Mustang Mach E is calling my name... The wife likes the renders of the Equinox EV. Im selling her on Ultium.

yeah... I acknowldge this. I reluctantly accept it though. I shoudnt deny it though. Like I said, it has been like this for quite awhile... I agree. Chryco SUVs are great SUVs. Im just bummed that what it seems to be a great inline 6, from a conglomerate consisting of automotive companies that know how to do 6 cylinder engines right from Peugeot to Maserati to Alfa Romeo to Chrysler themselves, I see it as a wasted opportunity to not explore the avenue of a TT inline 6 sedan or coupe. Just like GM with its Atlas I6 that was rotted away with the GMT360s. So be it. And here I am, whining about nothing as I, want my next purchases to be EVs. My wife and I really want to get off gasoline. At least with you, you are staying with gasoline for a tad longer. You have legit reasons as to want to know the future of ICE within the brand (Jeep) that you choose to stay with and what ICE they choose to go with. I on the other hand, want nothing to do with SUVs, but understand I may not have a choice to go that route, but most importantly, I and the wife have all but abandoned the gasoline engine. We will keep our current ICE cars as long as it takes and switch as soon as a viable EV comes along. Next year? The year after that? The next? Our next new purchase WILL be EVs no questions asked. Our ICE days are over and it stays with our current rides. 2012 Acura TL and 2013 Ford Fusion.

Maybe both? Hopefully both! Yeah...very vague details, Tom Kuniskis has been giving us. Message is that Dodge muscle and power and speed and performance is not going away even though V8 performance is and even quite possibly the actual muscle car nameplates. SRT performance engineering is working side by side with Stellantis EV engineering to ensure MOPAR EV performance is in line with MOPAR/Dodge muscle car image, but the how is not revealed. We will have to wait to see what they end up giving us.

Im saddened by the fact that an inline TT6 is going to a SUV. Much wasted potential for sport sedan and muscle car buffoonery going to shytty appliance CUVs and useless pick-up trucks. I mean an ecoboosted V6 Ford Raptor was cool and all, until the Hellcat powered TRX showed up and Ford went V8... Now, Dodge reverses that trend??? Im down with EV muscle for Charger and Challenger. I understand the reasoning behind the V8s going away. But I think it could be kinda cool if a stop gap TTV6 Challenger and Charger would be available. Maybe Dodge wants us to forget about ICE Challengers and Chargers for awhile until they come back as EVs and when they do come back as EVs, we will be greatfully in awe...

I think the article states that the V8s are going away. Not the Charger and Challenger per se. So...a TT inline 6 with 400-500 HP, a much much lighter engine package up front will make for a very very interesting type of muscle car. I may still have a hole in my soul with the end of a Hellcat V8 Challenger, but a TT inline 6 Challenger still speaks to me very seductively. And eventually EV motive power... Im even more excited to see where and what Dodge muscle will go and do for the EV era.

Ford does the Explorer as a cop car that has effectively and successfully replaced their own Crown Vic and Taurus and consequently the Charger. Ford has proposed the Mach E for a police pursuit vehicle but I dont know how successful it ill be as it seems the Mach E isnt suited best for police work. Chevy has no competitive vehicle to offer. However, the Tahoe is fast becoming a staple on many police fleets after 2 decades of constant pushing and they are proposing a future EV Blazer SUV cop car even before the Blazer is in production. Dodge been losing much ground to Ford police cars, especially when Ford decided that the Explorer could and is a fine candidate. The Charger has been fast losing its place as a formidable police car for quite some time. Dodge has offered a Durango police vehicle for a couple of years now. F150s and Silverados have also been added in the police pursuit tool box for many police departments. What Im trying to say is WHAT and WHY has taken Dodge all this time to really push a Durango police pursuit vehicle when its 2 other Michigan rivals have done so what now seems forever? For sure! This is what I was trying to say myself. End of an era for 2dr coupes. This segment has died 20 years ago. Very few survivors and not many but more than a handful of revived by a few coupes here and there but really dying now. Muscle cars have died 50 years ago. Even fewer survivors and even less new/old name plate revivors. RWD cars are too few and far between. Manual transmission cars as well. Sad, for sure. But this news is really not new in any way. Its been a long time coming regardless the advent of an EV era rushing in. I dont think the names will go anywhere. However, it will all fall under the engineering as to how close they could engineer an EV to emulate an ICE muscle car and the marketing team to convince folk that an EV Charger and Challenger could be and actually are worthy modern day muscle cars with electric motors and batteries as their motive power. The design team lastly as the EV Chargers and Challengers will have to have that MOPAR muscle car proportions and styles and elements and all that MOPAR eye candy.

In the grand scheme of things, I aint so sad about the ICE version of the Challenger and Charger going away next year. To say that it doesnt affect me emotionally would not be entirely true. Its an end to several types of eras this news is. Several types of eras that define my automotive enthusiasm. But hey, time marches on. Things come and go. Time to move on and unto the next thing. As long as Stellantis/Dodge gives us a worthy muscle car in EV form not necessarily needed to be called Charger and/or Challenger, Im good. But the EV(s) to replace its modern, now old, ICE muscle cars better be in the same vein for me not to feel like Im gonna miss a Hellcat...

^^^ I wanted to post a pic of that A320 NEO on Skiathos ! You did one better and posted a link to a video! Awesome!

I thought so. Head-on and off set collision standards too, maybe? I think to a small degree, its a styling thing, too. Our society has been in chaos the last 20 years, Id like to also believe its a bunker mentality styling thing as well.

Isnt the Pentastar 3.6 (and rumour has it the Hemi V8s also) going away in favour of an inline 3.0 liter 6 in twin turbo guise at its highest level as a stop gap before going all EV?

I see that the "fastback" look that crept up on sedans is creeping up on CUVs now. I also see that CUVs are looking less and less like truckish things and are looking more like high, very high belt line sedans with fastback C pillar stylings. I also see that this new design philosophy for CUVs is emulating 1930s streamline sedans... So far, I only see Chrysler and Cadillac to do a fastback sedan look CUV emulating 1930s streamliners Others are doing a high belt, but they are doing away with the truckish look and going for full on sedan look. Pure modern aero. Citroen C4X This new Airflow is handsome enough. I wonder why our vehicles today and for the last 20 years need to have such high belt lines.