ccap41
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Well that is about fully loaded though.. There isn't a whole lot to add to the Z71, I don't think at least. You can take the Z to over $50K. There was a gazillion boxes I could check. It was a base Z71 model. Without the diesel option? Are you sure about that..? I didn't think this truck was thaaaat pricey. I thought I loaded up a Canyon one time and it was ~45k.. And are those the boxes like tonneu cover, floor mats, all season rubber mats, hitch cover, mud flaps, wheel well covers(extenders), cargo net,..? Those kinds of boxes?
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EXACTLY how I feel about that as well. They will knock British build quality along with everything else. Not just American stuff or not just Japanese stuff..or Chinese.. All of them.
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That's a very good point, actually. That's usually my starting point when purchasing a vehicle. And if need be there can be some massaging of numbers.. The $3700 price for the diesel option is a fair amount of options to be giving up.. You can go fro an LT to a Z71, add the 3.6L, and a spray in bedliner.. Or stay with the LT and add the "convenience package" and "luxury package" and then the ped protection thing which gives you a bed liner and tonneu cover.. Just other choices..
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Think about exceeding the mileage ratings in this when they come out, like most diesels do.. That'd probably be in the..31..mpg highway range? Just trying to compare to the 3/0 from Ram which is rated at 29mpg highway. Maybe this little Duramax can hit 32-33mpg cruising at reasonable speeds. Agreed that the premium for a diesel make the break even point quite a few miles/years to where it really isn't worth it unless you're putting some serious miles in annually. I disagree with the break-even logic. You can drive the truck till the wheels fall off and reap tons of benefits of higher lifetime fuel economy...OR you can sell it and get back a chunk of the money because the diesel is worth more. It's not like the $3730 extra just evaporates when you drive the truck off the lot, waiting for gas benefits to cancel it out. You are correct in if you own it will the wheels fall off, without a doubt. I guess I was just assuming(which we know what that does..) that most don't keep their vehicles that long. I just don't like the selling part as part of the investment. I realize that a higher resale value is definitely a part of the equation..I just don't like it.. It "feels" weird. A lot of your return is only when you sell it. Unless you're keeping it forever then it is diesel reliability and fuel economy. It definitely does and even moreso when it is an engine option.
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F. YES.
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I think that is $h!ty leaving it up to a dealer to call the shots on. Of course they will lowball the hell out of it, they're the ones who have to try and resell it. I know it wouldn't be easy but they should have regional appraisors do the deed, a 3rd party. Otherwise these owners will just be getting trade in value for their truck, aka: ripped off again. They're already dealing with an issue that's been ongoing for 3-6 years(depending on the year of the truck). They don't need to get tossed around again.
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But isn't 40% of 500,000 still a whopping 200,000 X $10K equaling $2 Billion? Good thing Sergio stole that $2 Billion from GM back in 2002. Seriously wish this would put them out of business. Hate Foreign companies. Would love GM being able to pick up Jeep for pennies on the dollar uh huh, as I have said, hating a company just to hate it.... And you are still ignoring these trucks will be resold which is going wipe a VAST majority of that price out. PLUS, the customer DOES NOT have to sell back and many won't because the depreciated price will be nowhere what it will take to get a new and equal replacement. You should also watch your wishing because how long is it until the government starts forcing GM to buyback all those millions of cars with faulty ignitions that aren't fixed yet? This is a VERY dangerous precedent that is set........... I'm still not understanding how they will make much profit at all off these trucks reselling them.. If they are bought back at the purchase price minus depreciation that's the value of the truck. They'll have to sell above the value, correct? I'm not trying to be a dick but am I wrong? If so, please correct me(seriously, not trying to be a dick). I'm just curious at this point. You misunderstand me. I am not saying they will make a profit or even break even, just that when all is said and done the impact will not be anything eve remotely close to what Casa is hinting at. I agree that it is very VERY unlikely to be all 200,000 trucks. But I could still see it causing issues if they buy back a truck(because they have to) and then it just sits and sits and sits because they can't unload it because of the price they had to pay for it then just end up taking a loss.. Ya know what.. I just don't know.. Like TAF said "So much gray area people..."
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Think about exceeding the mileage ratings in this when they come out, like most diesels do.. That'd probably be in the..31..mpg highway range? Just trying to compare to the 3/0 from Ram which is rated at 29mpg highway. Maybe this little Duramax can hit 32-33mpg cruising at reasonable speeds. Agreed that the premium for a diesel make the break even point quite a few miles/years to where it really isn't worth it unless you're putting some serious miles in annually.
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But isn't 40% of 500,000 still a whopping 200,000 X $10K equaling $2 Billion? Good thing Sergio stole that $2 Billion from GM back in 2002. Seriously wish this would put them out of business. Hate Foreign companies. Would love GM being able to pick up Jeep for pennies on the dollar uh huh, as I have said, hating a company just to hate it.... And you are still ignoring these trucks will be resold which is going wipe a VAST majority of that price out. PLUS, the customer DOES NOT have to sell back and many won't because the depreciated price will be nowhere what it will take to get a new and equal replacement. You should also watch your wishing because how long is it until the government starts forcing GM to buyback all those millions of cars with faulty ignitions that aren't fixed yet? This is a VERY dangerous precedent that is set........... I'm still not understanding how they will make much profit at all off these trucks reselling them.. If they are bought back at the purchase price minus depreciation that's the value of the truck. They'll have to sell above the value, correct? I'm not trying to be a dick but am I wrong? If so, please correct me(seriously, not trying to be a dick). I'm just curious at this point.
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You are 100% correct. Which, is why I do love my EcoBoost.. for everyday driving where the revs are kept below 3k it's perfect. They make a good amount of torque at pretty low RPMs. I think this is what the EcoBoost Challenge is all about. Parking lot test driving, correct? So they will only be using the low-mid range which is where the EcoBoost will win over people. They don't make crazy peak hp numbers but their low end(usable) tq is very sufficient. Speaking of which.. I need to stop by a buddy of mine to drive his new Fiesta with the 1.0EB. I need to see how that little guy runs. So far my friend love it, but it's only a couple weeks old.
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I can agree with that. I think a few of the Lincolns look really really sharp, same with Cadillacs. I totaly dig the "arts and science" thing. As for comparing to the CLA and A3, aren't those two smaller than the MKZ? Or are they larger than I'm thinking..?
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The interior is standard at that price.. A Black Label MKZ starts at $45,605. That ugly paint job in the article is a $1700 option..no thanks. The hybrid is the same price as the base 2.0T. They must have had their loaded with all of the mud flaps and cargo nets to hit 55k with the hybrid/base engine. Ccap to clarify I meant that a Black Label interior should be standard equipment on every MKZ. The current base interior is not significant enough jump from a Fusion for the base price of the MKZ at 36K. I gotcha I gotcha, understandable. I didn't realize the MKZ started so reasonable at 36k.. Granted you probably can't find one for under 40k..but still.
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The interior is standard at that price.. A Black Label MKZ starts at $45,605. That ugly paint job in the article is a $1700 option..no thanks. The hybrid is the same price as the base 2.0T. They must have had their loaded with all of the mud flaps and cargo nets to hit 55k with the hybrid/base engine.
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The consumer also isn't forced to sell their vehicle back. Because they would likely need to up their payment to get a new vehicle to replace their old one I don't see all 500,000 selling them back. Now if they are just pissed off about the situation and want to get out of their Ram and switch to a Ferd or Chervy, I see that the more likely situation for them selling back to the manufacturer. Because, like Casa said, if they are only getting 10k(their purchase price minus depreciation is what the buyback price is) then they can't get $h! for that price and will still need to throw down nearly 30k(that is only at 10k - I doubt many have depreciated that low.) Trucks hold their value pretty well. Actually, would this cause them to depreciate even more?
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Ouch.. I've had days like that at about every job..Long, rough days. Usually larger teams so on the terrible days it wouldn’t be just me so it may be a bad day but at least somebody was suffering with me..
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Hey it's the small victories some days that make life easier..having 3 people in your department today. How many are there supposed to me? That's what I thought when he told me about the Silverado as well..
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I completely agree. It is too large of an investment to be either obligated to spend out of our budget for something or not get what you want or the next X amount of years.
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Close friend of mine's dad just picked this up. Not exactly the trim I would go with but it's stupid nice. My friend tried to convince his dad to get the little red guy over there. Now that one is more up my ally.. dark grill, no chrome wheels.. His dad was coming from a '12 F150. This time they again test drove a Silverado as it was the only other truck that peaked his interest. And odd quote from my friend when they were test driving, " We test drove a Silverado First. God they are lame." then his next text was "well ok, they're fine as long as yuo're sitting in the front seats. The back is way more cramped with no AC vents back there aaaaaaaand if the front person is using the cooled seats it actually blows hot air right on the person in the back. It's miserable" I thought that was SUPER odd that the seat cooling system would work like that in any vehicle.
