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I think the only people who care about that aspect are Cadillac fans.. because whoever buys a 7 Series wants the car for what it is.. not for how much it weighs. What it weighs has a direct effect on how it performs. The CT6 has a 600+ lb advantage over the 740i. That means all of the various engines Cadillac will be putting in the CT6 will have that much less work to perform to move the car. That means better cornering and handling. While you are correct. I think I said it in a different thread it all comes down to how well they tune the suspension. It could weigh 2000lbs and still drive like crap, it would weigh 6000lbs and drive like crap. And that is why I don't think weight matters much "In this class" of cars. They are large cars.. the vast majority will not be taking them to their nearest road course or canon but they will want a superb ride for sure. No argument whatsoever on the acceleration advantages, and with that comes mpg as well. I completely understand that part for the manufacturer..again most people buying a 70k car aren't the most concerned over 1mpg. But they will want it to accelerate hard when they demand it.

I think the only people who care about that aspect are Cadillac fans.. because whoever buys a 7 Series wants the car for what it is.. not for how much it weighs.

Yeah. That's what I'm wondering here... I get what you guys mean as Maserati has the luxury level that if they build a competent SUV they should compete with Land Rover, but Jeep could bring the off road toughness to a competitor of Land Rover that Maserati could not bring. So many around here say Land Rover are the worlds best off road luxury SUV's, I believe Jeep could beat them at that game. Having Jeep do the vehicle also adds thousands of dealers to sell out of..compared to Maserati.. Even if they are as unreliable as a Rover, at least they could be taken almost anywhere.

Good info, thank you I thought they were the same wheelbase originally, less roomy from the low slung roof. I think the original CLS was one of the sexiest cars ever.. Now the A7 has taken its place.. The new 7 Series..looks like another 7 Series.. That's about all i have for it. It isn't bad, it isn't good, it's somewhere in the middle.

If it isn't obvious that their target clientel isn't the enthusiast by now..then I don't know what to tell you. Making an enthusiast vehicle vs making a luxury vehicle are completely different. Are you going to hound Buick for making only FWD vehicles when you consider them more lux than Lincoln? There is no need to hound Buick. Buick knows its role-comfortable THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING AT! If the rest of the vehicle is well done then the powered wheels means absolutely jack to the people buying these cars. They aren't performance oriented driver's cars. They are meant to be luxurious. Although, I personally do not find Buick to be luxurious, that is the general target they seem to be going after. Just plain quiet luxury. And with 400hp on tap for all four wheels I don't see how it will be a slouch either.

If it isn't obvious that their target clientel isn't the enthusiast by now..then I don't know what to tell you. Making an enthusiast vehicle vs making a luxury vehicle are completely different. Are you going to hound Buick for making only FWD vehicles when you consider them more lux than Lincoln?

In the luxury department going RWD is the norm, it wouldn't differentiate it at all, like Cadillac. Standard AWD, that is a little diferent.

Okay, I thought they were almost identical to their "platform mates"(?). They are platform mates right? CLS-E and A7-A6? I guess I thought they were identical wheelbase-wise.

I've never friggin understood why people tailgate when there is PLENTY of room to make a pass! It can be so frustrating. All it does it piss off both parties. I want to drive a car with active cruise so bad! I'm just so curious how it actually feels when behind the wheel. I'm an avid cruise control user so the whole active cruise intrigues me. It just.. .workes. It makes driving in heavy volume at any speed much more relaxing. Nice...Nice... What kind of vehicle were you in that had it recently?

I hear that. I hate that bikes have 21+ speeds. I use 4 or 5 max when I'm on a trail, I usually just change between planetary gears. Weird enough.. I typically will do the same thing but still there will be certain inclines that I will want a middle gear. And I'm rocking a 27 spd. I guess this explaines why cars/trucks are working on 10spds.

I want to drive a car with active cruise so bad! I'm just so curious how it actually feels when behind the wheel. I'm an avid cruise control user so the whole active cruise intrigues me.

Why are they aiming at the "gran coupe" class when this isn't a "gra coupe"? Wouldn't that mean E Class and A6? That is what those are both built on, correct? Aiming for the size and room of the bigger cars without the handling penalty (lighter weight, 4 wheel steering). The CT6 is building it's own segment rather than trying to align exactly with what the Germans are doing. Hmmmm.. interesting.. Kind of confusing by saying they are aiming at the CLS and A7 though.

..I know he's a hypocrite.. I've called him on it Many-o-times. He usually just doesn't respond at all to it. He does exactly what he hates other people do. Ooops, sorry I was trying to respond whilst that must have been posted.

Why are they aiming at the "gran coupe" class when this isn't a "gra coupe"? Wouldn't that mean E Class and A6? That is what those are both built on, correct?

That is exactly how I feel about it. Nobody buys a luxury barge and actually things to themselves.. "I think this is a good weight". They buy what suits them, whether it be performance or the lux or the tech. If the weight is used right to give it a superb ride then they nailed it. But if it is more performance oriented then I think they missed the mark. People only buy the S65 to say they did. Yes they'll probably hoon it a few times, because they can. But it is a "because they can" type of thing.

If your point was that Ford follows where GM leads then by all means, prattle on :D Fanboy of the year statement? lol I don't force him to post silly PR posts, nor do I force him to write dismissive replies when he's called on them. But sho' 'nuff I'll point out how ridiculous he looks when he does it. ..but to say Ford follows where GM leads.. is quite the fanboyism. Correcting is one thing, Preaching about the ole holy GM is another.

I drive one fairly regularly(or at least am in one) as the gf has one. It's an older g500(2005, measly 290hp - underpowered imo). The only rattle is an exhaust shield, which happens when a vehicle is 10 years old with 150k miles on it. Other than that it is built like a tank. From what I've seen it doesn't have poor fit and finish. Maybe they started slacking later in its life. Personally, I love the thing(if you couldn't tell prior to this post lol). The newer ones with a more modern driveline would be fantastic. I think one of the things I like most about it is its size. It really isn't a large SUV. It isn't tiny(obviously) but it isn't overly large and to me, I like that. I never felt overwhelmed by its size like other vehicles. You can very easily see out of it and know where the vehicle is at all times.

If your point was that Ford follows where GM leads then by all means, prattle on :D Fanboy of the year statement? lol

This is actually pretty cool. Could you throw in the Germans as well actually..?

lol.. right back at the "FWD" platform.. As far as a true luxury(not luxury sports sedan) a FWD architecture makes more sense by giving more room to the interior for a given footprint. If it is going for the "quiet luxury" then the driven wheels means absolutely nothing at all. It will be all about pampering, correct? If you're sitting shotgun in a car going the speed limit do you honestly care about which wheels have power going to them? As long as the people inside the cabin are being pampered.

400hp in an AWD car.. and it's supposed to be running through the fancy AWD system of the Focus RS so it should still be able to get the power down(all 400hp) pretty easily. I don't doubt that the car will be competent. What I doubt very much is Lincoln's ability to make a production version that will distinguish itself. I already mentioned that this is nearly identical to the XTS-VSport in concept. And look how it turned out. Drew mentioned that the pricing should be competitive with the Koreans in he segment-ouch for prestige. And wings shot himself in the foot once again with his failed diss of the CT6's styling. I am glad to be in a place where I can criticize without being accused of being a troll. I harbour no ill will towards Lincoln. But by the same token, I'm not going to blow sunshine up their tuckus over a concept car that is a rehash of a failed product strategy. They. Must. Do. Better. How is what we saw not distinguishable? You would know from a decent distance what that car is if it were coming up on you. And we've only seen pictures. It is similar in design to the XTS in concept but it is standard AWD and 400hp. Whereas the XTS is 306hp and FWD. The only thing that is similar is that they are on a FWD ARCHITECTURE. And that is literally the only thing you can continue to harp on.. It isn’t even FWD. it is only going to be FWD when the cruise control is set. Other than that it will be continually modulating power to each wheel. He compared it to the Koreans for price/size purposes. Not in class and luxury and performance overall. He didn't shoot himself in the foot, it was an opinion. This is in no way a "rehash" of a failed product strategy. Everything about it is all new. If other cars take things from it, that's different. But THIS is brand new, everything about it.

Well worded cp.

They were waaaaaay to vague about their reasonings for any of them, imo. Granted I like the F150 the most. But they didn't even give us reasons why. It is a fair amount lighter than the Silverado when they are comparably equiped(which is almost impossible to find an article where they are comparably equipped).

^ 100% agree. All Black.

That's great for a military operation. I don't see doing such repairs in the Saks Fifth Ave parking lot. Oh I agree, but it is still part of that look. Just like fake hood scoops and rear tire vents. Luckily most are going away from the fake crap but at least they are still functional.