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I think we will see hybrids on more, like the Challenger and Charger, but not until the new models appear on the new platform. I am guessing it would take a lot of cash to make the LX platform hybrid compatible.

I wasn't side-stepping, just pointing out it can happen with any ca make. And they didn't just not like the DCT, hey literally had failures, some multiple at less than 100k miles. the bug has he brake based torque vectoring and that system at least works really well. hell on he brakes, bu turns like magic and love it on quick left/right sweepers. Hell on the front brakes though.....

Who honestly expected the 4C to be reliable? High boost turbo, less than great DCT, everything removed in an attempt to save weight, 2 totally different products that literally share not one single thing.

It has it's merit in the instant low end torque provided by the electric motors. I am sure they will be well protected from the elements. It isn't like you have to buy it, or it is more than a concession to the EPA. The turbo 4 and Pentastar will be the top sellers by a long shot. There is sill rumor of a diesel coming as well.

500 is an old design, a lot older than it's intro here with next to no real updates. A lot of Italian cars are designed for style and basically just that. my hope is that with the underpinnings, engine, and transmission (well it is the 8 speed ZF so we know it is good) set to underpin more mainstream cars and SUVs that a lot of work has went into the reliability. I do worry about the 2.9TT V6 because can you imagine the boost that is need to make 505 HP from 2.9 liters? I know a few people with Focuses and Fiestas that are just like what you described above with the 500s and all have traded for Camrys of all things. Most had multiple transmission failures. In my flip flop of a mind I am considering trading the bug in 6 months to a year, but I am not looking at FCA, Ford, or GM. I am interested in the new Civic SI if rices stay close to the last model. Heck, maybe even just a coupe 1.5T EX, with the manual of course, since they are basically as quick as the last SI (but I don't think they have the limited slip?)

And an issue with posting from forums is I have yet to find a single one for any model were woners posting about good experiences and not the bad ones. Nature of the beast. oh, same thing happened with the Corolla clone Nova of the 80s. Only difference was the badge, yet the Corolla was recommendd3ed and the Nova wasn't.

But the basic suspension, infotainment systems, etc, etc are shared with the both. It makes no sense. And in the example of the Corolla and Prism, everything was identical, even the plant and people building them. LITERALLY the only difference was the brand badging.

I love the manual control of the exhaust system. I Also got to compare to the Correct Caddy. the ATS V, not CTS, is it's competitor.

I think everyone has some touchscreen issues, but again, no specifics. the article even contradicts itself by saying no models are recommended and then goes to say the Durango is. Not that it makes the slightest bit of sense why the Durango would be an the basically identical mechaniclly grand Cherokee isn't It is like when they recommended the Corolla, but not the Prism even hough the only difference was the badge. Dude, those aren't even from this Gulietta, not even remotely considerably even usable to judge reliability of the new one. The whole thing is about the last gen model never even offered in the US. And what Alfa does your friend have?

And you do nothing to disprove my point then. The vast marority are NOT buying the top models.

And how many miles on each one? Was all maintenance done as stated and how many miles on each failure? LOL, but not the mix match of materials. My Camry and bug both are consistent throughout the cabin and my Camry is even a base LE.

Sure you do. i am sure you just know tons of people with 500s.... Right. He has also had to take it in and have the ECU reflashed for engine and transmission issues. Hey, were the 500s the NA, turbo, or Abarth models? the Masers all the same V8? What engine were these Grand Cherokees running as from everything i know the Pentastar, Hemi, and even the 3.0 diesel are pretty bulletproof.....

Yeah, there does seem to be a lot of overlap. When they separated the Supra from the Celica line and introduced the MR2 it made sense. Celica was FWD with NA 4s for the must parts, Supra RWD with NA and Turbo I6s, , and MR2 rear drive/mid engine with NA or turbo 4s (or supercharged on the 1s gen).

They should make it a diesel hybrid

What are the exact reliability issues with the current Fiats and what matters? the last Alfas sold here were 2 decades ago, Domestic manufacturers weren't exactly setting the reliability world on fire in the 80s and 90s (unless you are talking about Ford's huge recall for actual ignition fires). Besides this isn't exactly Italian only. it uses the bullet proof ZF 8 speed and the turbo 4 AND the platform were designed partially here to underpin new Dodges and jeeps. Like I said, assumptions...... Wrong C63, that looks o be a last gen black series.

You realize japanese car fans say the exact same things about American cars, right????? Face it, American cars still don't have the best reputation as a whole and there are reasons. Ford for example is really bad for using less than great quality stuff on their interiors. And both GM and Ford still use materials of mixed quality and even colors and types in their cars and you basically have to get the highest trim available to get the best interior. Fusion is a great example. The lower trim models are button filled and cheap while Titanium models have totally different center stacks, head units, a switchgear. Same is true of the Malibu. Ford is still plagued with transmission issues, particularly the DCT in the Focus and Fiesta. Your asumption is that this is going to be a low quality car with the same assumptions that Japanese car fans use to bash Domestic cars. You know what assuming makes you, right?

F Benz and anyone who likes them? Really? You sound like a 5 year old having a temper tantrum because everybody in the world doesn't follow your lead and love ONLY GM. PS the sound alone of the AMG C63 is frankly intoxicating.

As for reliability, my brother's ATS has been in the shop multiple times and even had to have the whole CUE unit replaced. I could go on about curnt GM quality issues, but I won't. please give me some exact reliability issues with this new Alfa that hasn't even been out long enough to have a quality and reliability rating. Again, fanboy conjecture because their favorite cars has been overtaken. Oh, the 16 MCE was pretty extensive in the powertrain department. That is like saying we should be afraid of all GM cars because wht, millions had to be recalled of ignitions? or we shouldn't buy ecoboosts because they have a track reord of recalls, even for possible fires? Or we shouldn't trust Ford transmissions because the AOD, AODE, and 4R70W were garbage that were pretty well guaranteed to fail before 100k miles?

I hope this is true. I am sure it would be meant as low volume from the start and hopefully like the 1st and second gens and NOT that crap pile MR2 Spyder.

Please explain o me how they are better than Jeep offroad exactly, especially the Wrangler Rubicon. Anyways, every manufacturer GM killed had lived past it's sell by date, especially Hummer. GMC has the All-Terrain badge and models, they should simply go more extreme with those. How do you know the Alfa sedan doesn't sell, they barely have any dealerships and very few have even arrived on our shores..... A little butthurt considering the ATS just received it's MCE and new redesign, which it will take, is years off? The 2.0T and 2.9TT are all new engines, NOTHING even remotely related to anything Alfa has used before so assuming it will have bad reliability is simply fanboy attack tactics.....

I wouldn't go with a hummer design or name because Hummer did not have the best rep when they were killed off.

One great thing is that the new Alfas are getting pretty rave reviews, basically replacing the Alpha based ATS as the mags favorite small luxury car. unfortunately this doesn't guarantee sales, but when this platform makes it way to Dodge in will be a game changer, as much as the original LX cars were when they came out. The new Turbo 4 is also getting rave reviews. For a RWD 4 cylinder Alfa MT got 0-60 in 5.1 and a 1/4 mile of 13.6. That is quicker than most of the competitions optional V6s and way quicker than their base 4 bangers. The next resting place for this engine will be the new Wrangler, though I am sure it will be tuned for more low end torque where the Alfa version is tuned for mid/top end HP. The Real MPG numbers were also pretty impressive at 38.1 on the highway, and I believe a 32 MPG average. Things are going to get interesting over the next few years.

And I am ok with that. I tend to have a multi-national driveway haha. 2 Dodges, a Chevy, a Toyota, and a VW lol.

Of course, you see everything through GM Rose colored glasses.......

Um, there is tons of new product coming in the next few years. I understand what they are doing right now is using what they have to get rid of debt rather quickly before starting a costly product onslaught. We know the new Alfa sedan and SUV are just a beginning of what we are going to see as the platform and turbo 4 will be spreading across the lineup. They have to. The more vehicles a platform can cover, they more they get to amortize the cost, and the more profit they make.