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That still isn’t “young” by any stretch of the imagination and this is from a 48 year old.

Because cherry picking is yet another skill in addition to bar moving lol.

That has already been pointed out to him and his only response was to post the low volume G-Wagen (at least he spelled right that time) number. When I post the GLS numbers vs the Navigator, he moved the bar yet again to change the subject. I also showed him an article stating that the market will come crashing back down so his initial comparison were moot anyway. Fanboys only see what they want to see and run away form the rest. Of course you don’t see it. That’s the point that EVERYONE here is trying to make to you. I remember the 90s and not many folks thought Porsche could make it long term before VW took over. That was common knowledge then.

A C&D article I linked earlier showed preference to the E-Mach interior over the Tesla Model Y and that’s just a lowly little Ford. That should tell people all they need to know.

I’m not “bashing” though. I have presented facts that back up everything I’ve said about whereas you tend to make blanket, and non researched, statements. Fact. Furthermore, outside of Tesla, you bash domestics every chance you get. Find me ONE Cadillac thread here where you are not trying to pass off your opinion as fact. You chime on those threads constantly but are surprisingly absent the few Mercedes threads there are here. Sorry, that’s bashing and trolling. We are not the same here. I actually like Tesla, in principle, but I’m not blind and when you’re not making a profit over the last decade and building cars with a Yugo like quality to them, you’re damn straight I’m going to bash them, bash them with facts. Again, we are not the same and neither is the “bashing”.

He doesn’t seem to understand that some companies are run horribly and it baffling him that it’s not a domestic make in question here.

Actually we do know. And Alfa lost money because Sergio is an idiot and no one wanted their piss poor built cars. https://manufacturingglobal.com/smart-manufacturing/ford-motor-company-reports-strong-2021-q1-results Yep they sure can because they have actual experience in mass producing cars without the countless quality issues still plaguing a newbie like Tesla. It’s not that hard to figure out unless you are just looking for any excuse to $h! on domestics. And just stop with the bar moving. As soon as you got called out over the depreciation of the GLS, you moved on to something else. Just stop it. Tesla can’t even compete with Ford levels of quality. https://autos.yahoo.com/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html

While making zero profit on them. Does this really have to be explained to you again?

Pure deflection from what we were just discussing. Comment dismissed.

Correction. It should read “If you’re going bring Benz into the fold…”

@smk4565—And bringing up the low volume G-Wagen was just dumb. Sorry. If you’re going bring Benz into the folks with full size SUVs like the Lexus and Lincoln, then you have to bring up the GLS. I’m guessing there is a good reason why you didn’t though. Let me help you.

Maybe you should look at this first. There was “only” a $25K price difference between them brand new so I don’t know where in the hell you got this “they were the same price” BS from. That literally kills your entire argument there. The Benz is even easier to dismiss since it is a low volume vehicle. Hell, the discontinued Chevrolet SS sedan used prices sell around original MSRP for the same reason. It was a low volume production car. F that G-Wagen. You are still missing the point. A three year old Ford is still selling at or near its original MSRP and the value is still going up (much like that 4 Runner you can’t source properly), hardly this big drop bull$h! you keep throwing around about Fords and Lincoln’s. Btw, the volume model is the SE.

In an effort to get this back on track, I am just going to leave this little Tesla Y vs Ford Mustang Mach-E article right here. Go ahead and act like Tesla isn't sweating the competition and remember what's been said here (repeatedly) about their quality that clearly hasn't been fixed after more than a decade in existence for Tesla. People notice stuff like that, you know? https://www.yahoo.com/autos/comparison-test-2021-ford-mustang-110000731.html

BTW @smk4565. The Flex started at $26K in 2019 yet the average price for a three year old CUV that isn't produced anymore is $30K (the 2018 is $28K). Go ahead and sidestep those facts so that you can keep on slamming domestics.

Then your 4 Runner example does not fly because its high value was a direct result of what has happened to EVERY OTHER BRAND out there. That's what you are clearly not getting. You also assuming the term levels in question here without a direct link or comparison. Just pulling stuff out of thin air. Now please read the chart in the link below. Lincoln has been pulling higher 90 increases than Lexus and Mercedes. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/price-trends/

@smk4565And what goes up must come down. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jeremyalicandri/2021/06/14/used-car-values-are-about-to-crash-car-buyers-brace-for-impact/amp/

You have a reading comprehension problem. My car is six years old and went up in value, not a year ago. Again, this is a trend on ALL cars but some do better than others. Feel free to refer my post at the top of this page. Let me add to that part: The CarGurus tool also lets you see how much the particular model you want has increased in price. So, for instance, the average price of a 2018 Volkswagen Atlas is up 14 percent, while the average price of a 2018 Ford Escape is up 24 percent year over year. That particular Toyota (RAV4 hybrid) is a lower volume model because of it being a hybrid but you knew this already before you decided to slam a domestic ride yet again. Base model RAV4s sure as hell don’t do that. Again, stop the BS routine.

@smk4565 And again, educate yourself. From an article about increased used car prices. Interesting the omission of certain brands here. There are 11 brands in CarGurus' data set that have seen used car prices go up more than 30 percent, year over year. The list is led by Ram (up 40.5 percent), followed by Aston Martin (38.1), Ford (38.7), GMC (37.9), Chevrolet (37.3), Dodge (36.4), VW (35.1), Lincoln (32.9), Toyota (30.5), and Hyundai and Kia (both 30.1).

The exact same thing can be said about your pet brand. In fact, it’s an absolute fact.

Because some folks have more money than sense, if you ask me. I paid $12,800 for my 2015 Flex w/88K miles on it a year and half ago. It has 105K now and I could sell it for $15K private party. It has gone up 15% this year. This is happening with just about every used car out there. That 4Runner is not unique in that.

My main creative "hub", if you will, when I'm not working my other job.

Most of us are talking but when certain self righteous asshats act like they know better than everyone else simply because of a certain car they drive (and the transmission involved), and then tells EVERYONE ELSE that they are full of $h! and excuses, I take exception because clearly that particular person doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. My "niceness" ends right there.

I think you need to stop assuming things about people and their habits. I grew up on manuals and spent the first twenty years (after I was legal to drive at 16 in 1988) driving nothing but manuals, from a busted ‘81 Chevette to a (at the time almost new) ‘94 RX-7 and everything in between. Even after that, I have driven everything from a 2018 Corvette Z06, with a 7 speed manual, on down. I haven’t owned a stick in over a decade now but it was personal choice and had jack $h! to do with driving enthusiasm or lack thereof. STOP ASSUMING $h!, is the point here. Save your lofty standards for another site where they don’t mind the condescending tone of your posts. Again, assuming $h! you haven’t the faintest clue over.

Agreed on the Continental. It’s problem is that it was about five years late to the game, when people were still slightly more interested in sedans. The car itself was not a failure, anymore so than the dozens of German models that have come and gone in the last twenty years alone.

How in the Sam hell did we go from Lincoln to MB vans? Lincoln. That’s the subject here. If he wants to continue his stupid defense of German vans, let him start his own thread (which is something I’ve never seen him do regarding his pet brand). It is the same wash, rinse, repeat nonsense with him and his blind fanboy love of all things German. He hasn’t learned a damn thing here and has never cared to learn anything that may put his pet brand in a negative light. Quite honestly, F him at this point (and yes I made it personal. Sue me). Lincoln BEVs: Anything else to add here? BTW @smk4565-Sales does not equate to world class. Rolls Royce and Bentley both sell far less than the numbers you posted above. By your fanboy logic, they are not world class either. There. Done.