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OEM websites are notorious for lagging updates tho.

• Musk says a lot of things that subsequently get reversed. • At this point, I'm not sure money is a prime motivating factor for Musk. • He may not have an incentive to provide a discount, but Hertz sure does. I'd like to learn about the eventual signed contract. It may be the length of time to produce so many (how many years?) will be a defacto discount, if a per-unit price is locked in & prices rise every 1-2 months for...ever. In fact, I bet that's exactly the 'work around' at word play here. • Although demand is strong, long-term effects of continually jacking prices isn't going to sit well with the mainstream, the bulk of who's consumerism approach centers around Amazon & Walmart. Right now he's catering only to a niche market.

Wait- is this the new top-shelf Uber-Jeep?!? Why does it look so much different than the press pics?? The head-on front view looks excellent; refined, upscale. Easily the best view. The rear is fine but nothing of any distinction. The profile shots... boy; I sure hope that this is camera distortion because it looks; 1. overly tall, 2. overly slab-sided, 3. overly boxy. Camera shot also gives it a major FWD-esque proportion with the front overhang. But there's more. The black trim around the sidelights looks really weird, like sheets hanging off a clothesline. And the side view seems 'soft & puffy' - I'm getting strong '00 Tahoe vibes here. I thought based on the front views (almost all of the press pics) that the sides would be likewise chiseled, but they're soft and featureless. No bueno; this isn't a game-changer on the exterior at all.

...or even better YET a 630 HP Rousch-Ford 588 CI V8; 4-bolt block, H-beam rods, aluminum heads, roller cam, pump gas, 2/24K warranty.

I posted the 2022 page. David was looking at some sort of pressroom sub-page; via the main all-vehicles portal it’s right there. But do they have to pay a new premium every 1-2 months?? Is Musk setting up an expectation to ‘hurry up & buy this month’ by doing this- the company claims they’re running a profit currently…

Stolen brazenly from the inter web~ I don't know what trim level this '22 is (on the left), but it's horrific, IMO. I've liked the '19-21 Silverados all along, but whatever this is comes off as a Chinese copy, to my eye. Yikes.

Sure they do :

Sounds like an urban myth; a fairy tale story, a conspiracy theory run amuck.

Yet the world's largest BE OEM raises prices to consumers nearly monthly. Frankly, I only care what the manufacturer's costs are if -and only if- they're passed on to me.

Arm-chair pundits were assuring everyone that battery prices would fall before the talk of Sodium batteries.

Visited my GMC salesman today (had some questions about my loan). On the showroom floor was a '21 Yukon Denali; sticker price was $83K, market adjustment was 10 grand. I asked him if there was any buyer pushback on the M.A., and he told me they had 8 of them and this one was the last one left, the others flew out the door. He said not only are the dealerships making good money in a super tight market, but that GM is certainly aware of the scenario and instead of the typical model year price bump of -say- $700, it is going to be thousands. Now- this scenario won't last forever of course, but the point is 'those ridiculous thieving dealerships' are catering to demanding & paying customers. For now. He said GM rebates are (obviously) current gone (this may differ by model). Just did a 'build & price' on a '22 2500HD and zero rebate there.

October 29, 2021 10:52 AM LONDON -- Soaring costs of materials such as lithium and nickel used to make electric vehicle batteries are starting to feed through into prices of batteries in China, Benchmark Mineral Intelligence said this week. This is contrary to expectations that prices of the lithium ion rechargeable batteries used to power electric vehicles, vital for the energy transition, would keep falling over time as economies of scale kicked in.

Bedazzled ~

Would not even a fool prefer to lose $10K vs. $50K?

I am not "trying to convince"; I have merely (and repeatedly) asked the question; what does an electric motor swap into a collectible car do to its value? Maybe someone has seen a sold price on such a conversion (versus an asking price). The highest values for a given collector vehicle -condition aside- is almost always in lockstep with originality. When you pull the original powertrain, you have dented that value to some degree. EVEN IF a BE swap costed exactly the same as a current crate V8 swap to the dollar (and that's not remotely close, despite David's sandbagging attempts), what is the value of those 2 configurations ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL? At some point, a few of these conversions will cross the block; it'll be interesting to see if a buyer or 3 stepping up morphs into a long-term & established trend... OR that the sale price consensus says otherwise and the deviation only appeals to a handful of buyers.

Hang tough, things usually have a way of working out.

Somehow a $9200 ‘70 Mustang coupe has morphed into a $100 grand Eleanor clone. ?

^ This has devolved into an apples & zucchini discussion. Ford ‘e-crate’ motor is $3900 for just that single motor, and it’s rated at 281-HP. Somehow 1000-HP monster motors and top-line $25K crates got injected in. Like I said; 2 different conversations.

You keep bringing restoration costs into the equation (not to mention the Helliphant). I never mentioned either as part or parcel of my example. My examples take a given, static car worth X, then asked if putting an additional $50K into a powertrain swap would make it worth that much more, or considerably less than the starting value. Forget brake upgrades, etc, etc, etc. - a million variables too many to enable a general answer. - - - - - I'll try one more time. Hagerty says a #3 condition '70 Mustang coupe is worth $9200. Let's make it an even $10K, with a 4bbl 351 V8 making 300 HP. We know for a fact that EV West in CA charges about $50K to retro-fit a vintage car into a BE. They mostly do VWs, but others, too. So you take your existing '70 Mustang to EV West. You write a check for $50K & they make it battery-powered. What's its value now, should you decide to sell it? Or..... you write a check for $12K and put a brand new crate 5.0 in the '70, a 'drop-in'. What's the comparison value now? Is a (non-Boss, non-Mach) '70 Mustang more likely to sell at $13K... or at $50K? It's a simple question in either case... and a pertinent one to anyone writing said check. Yes; some people do 'car things' as a labor of love, never intending to ever sell. But most DO sell at some point; I'm sure I am in a strict minority owning the same car for 35 years now.

We're having 2 different conversations.