bowtie_dude

Yes. If the Pontiac Zeta is a mid-size car, then I have no issue with it. As long as it is unique to Pontiac, then its fine.

Wow!! That looks great, NOS! Here's to hoping you're close.

Ideally, those engines will be limited to AWD-only models, such as Denali, Redline, or Ultra/Super (whatever they decide to call it).

If the dealers get reconciled to P-B-GMC, then they won't need a Delta clone for the volume, which is why dealers wanted a G5, for the sales, they couldn't give a $h! less about what Pontiac needs to stand. Anyway, the way it SHOULD look in a few years is, in order of "premium-ness" (to make up a word here) Chevrolet Saturn Pontiac-Buick-GMC Cadillac With Hummer and Saab doing their own little thing, fitting somewhere between PBGMC and Cadillac. Pontiac, Buick and GMC will each lose some sales due to moving up market, but together should make up for it, at least from dealer perspective.

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I LOVE it, especially the bumper.

We'll never see a Pontiac with 250,000 sales a year. We'll either see a smaller Pontiac or a dead one. Its obvious that GM is moving Saturn to fill the space that Pontiac use to occupy, at least within the company, but with hopes that Saturn will be able to gain conquest sales instead of canibalizing Chevrolet or Buick. Small RWD coupe Small RWD convertible Mid-size RWD/AWD sedan Mid-size RWD/AWD coupe Mid-size RWD/AWD convertible Small or Mid-size AWD crossover Thats what I envision for Pontiac if its to have any kind of relevance and market strength. Premium (not luxury) performance oriented vehicles aimed at 100-150k sales a year. I can't see Pontiac going any other way. But hey, I'm no industry expert.

This isn't the golden era of GM. The company can't afford to have its brand competing with each other when it commands 25% of the marketshare. The brands need to have UNIQUE offerings from each other. There's no harm in having 3 Lambda SUVs because they target different customers by offering differing levels of luxury. If Pontiac is to become relevant then its going to HAVE to become more niche, and fill in a premium sporty slot beneath Buick. Like evok has said, Pontiac-Buick-GMC will act as one full lineup of vehicles. No overlap, PERIOD. A Lucerne-sized Pontiac sedan would make no sense when you can get an Zeta-based Impala SS that will do the exact same thing as a G8. Again, I ask, with the Impala SS, WHAT is the purpose of another full-sized sports sedan in GM's lineup?

Thats the new Escalade-style grill, too. Nice improvements.

But hey, don't get too generalizing, my wife is from Barbourville.

Did it have a big chicken out front?

If its no bigger than the Grand Prix thats fine, but like you said, thats not a full-sized car anyway.

Regardless of whether they can TELL the difference, the fact remains is that they WANT FWD.

According to Fly, the Trailblazer will remain RWD and move to GMs NG compact pickup platform.

With 80% of the county population living on welfare, I'm sure it would be worth videotaping.

The Wal-marts in Lexington aren't bad at all, unless you happen there around the first of the month. We do 85% of our grocery shopping at the superstores because its just flat-out cheaper than Kroger's or Meijer, end of story.

This is a good looking car. Only bad thing is the hood seam.

Saw a white CompASS earlier this week. GAWD that thing is damn ugly.

I hope its no more than $29,995, personally. That leaves the Enclave at $34,995 and Outlook at $24,995.

I never said the market was smart in what it wants, only that, outside of enthusiasts, those being you, 68, and me, it prefers FWD to RWD. Were this lady to know one is RWD and the other is FWD, all things being equal she'll get the FWD model.

Well, if you have Buick's full-size RWD car, and Chevrolet has a full-size RWD car, which will imaginably have a SS model, practically making it a carbon-copy of a full-size Pontiac. I personally don't think Pontiac needs a full-size Zeta sedan. Now a coupe and convertible, yes. But I just don't see the need for a sports sedan from Pontiac when Chevrolet will have that base covered with an SS Impala. But thats just my view on the issue. As for a cheap M5 competitor, that car would also conceivably compete with a sports sedan from Cadillac as well. I just feel GM needs to get away from having overlap and internal model competition, and a full-size sports sedan from Pontiac would be exactly that.

Why does Pontiac need a full-sized sedan, especially if its being sold alongside Buicks? THAT is the real question.

I think Fly is talking about an entirely different platform, not one derived from Lambda.

Envoy starts at $27, I can't see the Acadia starting at more than $28-29k. The Enclave, with standard leather and whatnot, should be around $34-35k. Outlook around $25k. Thats my opinion, though.

NG compact pickup? Ooooh. Colorado/Canyon replacement?