Satty

For Accord EX-L money Ford has the best options, either a Fusion SEL 3.0 or a base Taurus.

The Camaro (your example above) doesn't appeal to all people.

Truth, this post has it.

My condolences, I hope you have a bag of money and a fake i.d. hidden somewhere.

This. With the Fusion on lots, there is pretty much no reason to bother looking at anything else in the class.

Yeah, but you cant get 4 people all doing that at once.

Rock band is really fun, but The Beatles: Rock Band is crazy awesome. At times I think I'm high. And my wife kicks ass at the guitar.

I kept thinking anterior wheel drive. I feel like such an idiot.

Nice

The DTS looks 20 years old compared to pretty much everything.

They haven't warmed to the CTS or STS either, so I dont think the XTS will make things worse.

Could they have put more of a generic fatass SUV rear end on it? From behind it looks exactly like everything else in the class, which is to say it looks like the fatass in front of you at the gas station, the one who holds the line up buying and scratching off their lotto tickets. The shape is the same

Tis why we have 2 cars. It is a million times easier to get stuff into and out of the Mini than the Camaro. The 3rd gen was probably also a lot easier to haul things with than the 4th.

After the rental in Vegas, a Camaro coupe seems like a pretty awful car to deal with if your car ever has more than 2 people or you expect to be able to carry things or if you're used to a more refined/pleasant interior space or if you have to change lanes. But I'm sure its fantastic if you have nothing better to do on a Friday night than drive around racing Civics.

[quote name='Satty' date='08 October 2005 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1128798399' post='25609'] Isn't that why we have Pontiac, which is the "excitement division" at least until it gets canned in 2011. [/quote] God I'm good.

Unless 20 year old guys start buying top-of-the-line sedans, driving dynamics will be secondary to luxury amenities.

Olbermann FTW! It really is sad that in the aftermath of a real human tragedy, the good things people are doing (donations and whatnot) are overshadowed by self righteous douchebags.

Snuggies are gay.

The highest price Lexus LS is a hybrid, I think that if GM does the rest of the car right, a hybrid-only Cadillac flagship will be fine.

Does getting someone's spare key and moving their car from the 2nd to the 4th floor of a parking garage while the owner is working a 14 hour shift count?

Steering wheel controls.

A-pillar back is fantastic, a-pillar forward is a bulbous mess.

Thats the most awkward looking Firebird I've ever seen.

Ohhhhhh! DVD blowout at the adult video store!

Alanis' version was so much better.