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Because he was talking about a 290hp HHR. I'm not saying it can't be made to compete with a GTO or Camaro, but it's going to take a little more than that. And a RWD car has an advantage from 0-60. I had a highly modified Grand Prix GTP with over 350hp. It stood no chance what so ever 0-60 compared to my GTO. One goes, the other spins.

I think GM should have always stayed Chevy Cadillac Olds Buick and Pontiac.

I'd rather they tax by weight than by displacement. But I don't think they will ever CAP horsepower. Even Europe won't go that far.

I doubt it will get down into the 4 second range 0-60. That's Camaro and GTO territory. Mid 5s sounds about right for that 1/4 mile time.

Good products, good marketing, keeping the brands that made GM GM, consistancy(GM's biggest problem), and time. Well I guess consistancy isn't a problem per se, since GM can seemingly do the wrong thing consistantly, like cancelling programs that are 75% developed or sending cars like the G3 to Pontiac. GM needs to consistantly do things right. The brands need to be consistant with their stated values.

I think you mean Citi, not Wachovia. Wachovia was bought by Wells Fargo.

Nope, GM will pull the rug out from themselves. I have other choices if GM shoots itself in the foot again. In fact, I don't even have high hopes of GM doing the right thing. I already have it set in my head that they wont, but I keep a sliver of hope that they will. I have practically sworn off GM vehicles except my GTO until this plays out. If GM makes the wrong choice, I go somewhere else.

I believe our govt can't be stupid, but I doubt they are that stupid. Capping hp on engines? Not gonna happen.

So GM is continuing to sell out on Pontiacs values for a measly 141 sales. Way to go GM.

Exactly how I feel. I will still buy other brands as well, but there will always be at least 1 Pontiac in my garage.

Everything you said is fine, but Pontiac can't abandon the V8 for all their models. The GTO/G8 need the V8. The Alphas would do well with turbo 6s deltas with turbo 4s

Throw in a V6 Kappa to go against the 370z and Pontiac would be set.

I like that, especially if the delta II could have a top version with AWD to go up against the EVO and STI.

Ah, so a performance brand is now a mullet brand. Great.

I'll take the first option. But instead of a Trans Am, I would like it to be more of a GTO type vehicle.

Or have the lifters collapse like on my brothers Charger which had 22k miles at the time.

Ahh, now I smell it. Some burnt rubber from my GTO.

I like the Sky, but I'm afraid of what that means for the Solstice and Pontiac. Now Pontiac will have another clone of a Chevy, and of course Chevy will get a newer version while the Pontiac remains unchanged. I think that's the implications Camino was referring to also.

To me, it was only a very slight risk. I am very familiar with the company I invested in. I worked there for 2 1/2 years. I knew their stock was extremely undervalued, and had complete faith in the management of that company.

Really? All I smell when I read your posts is jealousy because the Australians can do something better than the Americans for cheaper than the Germans.

Weren't Jeep and Hummer both part of the same company at one time, so both have fair claim to that grille?

I call it creating money LOL But I do have a margin account. It helped me get a 110% return this year. I would have only got a 55% return without it. But yes, I am pure capitalist.

Debt isn't always bad. I once borrowed $5000 on a credit card, invested in stocks, and a month later, had $6500. I could have paid that credit card back, paid the interest for the month, and had a profit of $1450. It depends on what you buy with that debt.

I haven't lived within my means before, but I am starting to now. I sold my Passat, Mazda, and Grand Prix, and now I'm down to just my GTO. I considered selling it for the right price, but I've since decided against that. I can't part with it. I have more debt than I should, but I'm basically restructuring it to lower my payments, while still getting cash out which will be used to purchase a business, and/or invest more in stocks. Simply putting money in a savings account that will give me .5% annual returns is not my way to live.

"part old-fashioned American muscle car, part sophisticated European performance ride" That should be Pontiacs new tag line, and every car Pontiac makes should be made to fit that.