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I should also note the new G Wagen is head and shoulders nicer than the one pervious generation. Yeah, they look the same on the outside but the interior is sooooo much nicer. The one I sat in was a dark metallic green with dark brown leather... beautiful color combo. They also had a GLS in the same color combo. I'm a sucker for dark green with brown leather.

I understand what you're saying but I don't see how the 2 FWD(GLA & GLB - Am I forgetting another one or two?) "compliance" vehicles should take away from the rest of the lineup that is the nearly the definition of luxury vehicles to then say the entire brand is just a compliance auto company. Also, the GLB and GLC are way too close in size to both be produced, imo. We've had a loaner of each and the interiors are VERY similar and the size is also VERY similar. I'm not really sure what the point of having both is. The only thing I could think of is one being RWD based give the potential for the AMG version to be more gnarly but that doesn't really make enough sense to me. Doing some typing and research at the same time... I forgot about the GLA and A Class(I no clue how different it is from the CLA but whatever). The GLB starts about 5k cheaper than the GLC. The GLB seems priced to go against the Corsair and the likes of those. Not arguing that BUT, they had the vehicles I listed and if they were selling THAT fast, they wouldn't have been there. But the point was just that it is selling versus the statement of, "languishing on dealership floors". Nobody called that comment out?

Are everything selling that fast over 100k? I mean they had all of those vehicles I mentioned above that are well above 100k in the showroom so they're not selling THAT fast. fun fact, the salesman we were talking to recently bought a 4Xe Wrangler and he absolutely LOVES it. He says he fills up once a week out of habit and puts between 3-4 gallons in, the rest of his drives are electric. He only gets about 15 miles of all electric range but he charges at the dealership and at home. This is his 5th or 6th Wrangler and couldn't be happier with the hybrid powertrain.

How many years did it take Mercedes to reach that number then? There's always a sharp spike as they hit their stride and released new vehicles. Now they're not releasing anything new anytime soon, I don't think anybody here thinks the CyberTruck is close to production, right? Now everything they have is fairly old at this point and I don't think there's anything new in the pipeline so I don't see them continuing that kind of growth. I think they'll plateau around 1m units. Doubling THAT will take a lot more products and fresh products, and also the ability to produce that many vehicles.

I was at a Benz dealership this weekend. They can't keep EQS on the floor. They're moving as soon as they get them in. I asked because I wanted to see one. I think they're hideous and couldn't imagine driving one myself, but they're being sold as soon as they're being produced. I could care less if they also produce vans and commercial vehicles. That doesn't mean the cars and SUVs aren't luxurious. Compliance autos? What is even meant by that?

You may not like Mercedes but walk into a Mercedes dealership and stroll through a few vehicles and then do the same at Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc. They're a luxury automaker with a couple lower end vehicles. I sat in a 2021 S580, 2022 GLS63, and 2021 G550 this weekend and there is not a thing from the "standard" automakers that is as nice AND gnarly as those.

Yeah, there will not be mass produced automobiles with solid state batteries in 2024. There may be a vehicle or two with low production numbers to get the technology out there but I'd be willing to bet there will not be a Ford or GM product built in 2024 with a solid state battery. Ten years-ish out still seems pretty accurate to me.

GM marketing is so bad that they'd name it CorvEttE

Lower weight is only relative to current battery packs. They'll still weigh A LOT more than the current Vette.

We're currently passing Third Winter. I think yesterday was the last day of 30's and it should be 50's-60's going forward!

My in-laws just picked up a 2017 GL550 for 60k, 36 or 37,000 miles on it. 5 years old and it lost, what, 40-50%? That resale doesn't sound any better than Lincoln's, excluding the Navigator which holds its value extremely well, like all BOF SUVs.

That garbage list has the Rolls and Bentley in 11th and 12th places and lists the sub models separately. G550 and G63? GLS Maybach, GLS63, and GLS580? Give me a break. That's no true comparison test and a trash listing, and you know it.

Yeah, like I've already said, it takes a long time to dig ones' self out of where they were. Also, like has been said, it's to be replaced with an EV.

BUT THE INTERIORS ON THE EUROPEANS!! ...wait... ?

I'll link it one more time to show you the Navigator topped the GLS and X7. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-bmw-x7-2021-cadillac-escalade-lincoln-navigator-mercedes-benz-gls-class-3-row-luxury-suv-comparison-test-review/ "Despite some positives, the BMW X7 just doesn't outride, outdrive, or out-luxe the established players in this segment. It's a good first effort but unfortunately not a great one." "Despite its lack of the premium leathers, woods, and headliners of the rest of the field, the GLS' as-tested price was a group-high $108,135. " "Compared to the BMW, Cadillac, and Lincoln, the Mercedes had the least impressive interior of the lot. Ignoring the aging design—an issue the BMW suffers from, as well—materials on our supposedly luxurious GLS580 left us wanting for more."

Those all start considerably higher priced than the Corsair. Corsair: $36,400 Stelvio: $45,500 Grecale: $63,500 Macan: $54,900 GV70: $41,500 X3: $43,700 GLC: $43,900 Q5: $43,300

Crazy, it topped the comparison test here in 2021. Yeah, it doesn't have the newest offerings as the Grand Wagoneer just came out. I'm sure they'll compare all three when they get an opportunity. The Lexus and Infiniti are easily behind all three American-made ones. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2020-bmw-x7-2021-cadillac-escalade-lincoln-navigator-mercedes-benz-gls-class-3-row-luxury-suv-comparison-test-review/ Two of the four offer plug-in hybrids. The Nautilus is being replaced with an EV and I'm surprised they didn't drop-in the hybrid powertrain from the F150 in the Navigator yet.

The Edge fits in pretty much the same role/size as the JGC, Blazer, Acadia, Passport, Venza, etc... large two-row SUVs. All of those companies have 3-row SUVs above these and compact SUVs below these. I'm sure Hyundai/Kia have vehicles in this category as well.

I was just trying to keep it semi-realistic. Daily for me and wife then one toy. You could easily slash 50k off each of these for a lesser model, I was just dreamin' some. Panamera has always been one of the ugliest yet highest praised vehicles to me. I would never own one simply based on how ugly they are.

Porsche is just one of those companies that I could get behind. You almost never hear about quality issues, only extremely high praise for their quality. They just seem to make great products. If I had the money, I could see myself being a Porsche-only household. They just don't seem to make anything that's mediocre or middle of the pack, EVER. The only "real" downside(assuming I had the money) would be, I'd want a V8 in my sports car, simply for the sounds. I'd be thrilled to have a Taycan Cross Tourismo, Cayenne, and a manual 911 Targa in the garage. It's only like half a mil worth of vehicles though..? ~150k for a Targa 4S ~150k for a Taycan GTS Cross Tourismo ~170k for a Cayenne Turbo S E-Hybrid

Hasn't it been known the Nautilus/Edge are being replaced with something electric? I'm assuming you're talking strictly sales numbers, not praise the vehicles themselves actually get? They get plenty of praise from automotive journalists but their sales aren't very good. I've said it many times, it takes time to overcome what they did in the 90's-2015ish. They built in such bad brand recognition that it just takes time to overcome that(assuming the products are actually very good - which they are now).

1: They have the Navigator to get into the 100k range 2: Lincoln doesn't have the brand equity to ask 180k for anything right now. They're taking much-needed steps towards gaining brand recognition and making actually really good products again. BUT, they dug themselves a hole from like the 90's through about 2015, then they started to differentiate themselves from Ford products.

And I don't mind. If they want me to wear a mask, I'll just wear the mask. That was never near the issue that people made it out to be.

That's why they'll sell you a Blazer...

We're pretty much wide open here. The only place still requiring me to wear a mask is the public bus.