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I think it looks better than their gargantuan grille versions of everything else...

I don't actively shop against Chinese made things, unless its a very large purchase, like this. If I happen to notice something is Chinese made, I'll try and avoid it, but I won't go overly out of my way to do so.

Yeah, the EQ line is not very attractive, in my eyes either.

That's absolutely no different than glancing at an XT4/XT5 or CT4/CT5/CT6. That's how these luxury automakers have been doing it for well over a decade now. Mercedes isn't the only one guilty of their family of vehicles sharing a very similar design language.

Ahhhh thank you for the information. That's a bummer.

Is the Polestar made in China? If so, I never realized this.

It's super convenient that there are three chargers there and at the rates of those chargers, you'd have to leave it there your whole trip to get home, 6-13kw chargers.

If it works out perfectly that you want to eat next to a charger, that's absolutely perfect.

Because there's nothing more that I want to do on my vacation or work trip than spend time at a Nissan dealership (or any car dealership but Nissan is the worst) charging my car. You can't honestly tell me that it is equally or more convenient to rent an EV than it would be to rent a comparable ICE vehicle.

To be honest, I don't think anybody was talking about road-tripping..

@DavidI legitimately appreciate your civil discussion where we can go back and forth without the childish name calling. Not trying to be a smart@ss but you did mention not being able to fit into the previous generation of EVs, have you gotten to test fit a Hummer EV yet? If so, do you think you'll pull the trigger on one yet? I know you like pretty much everything about them. @David, I was out running Friday and saw one of these! Funny enough, I managed to see an R1S before I’ve seen an R1T. Aaaaalso, funny enough, a day later I saw my first R1T but j was driving so I couldn’t grab a picture of that one. I had to zoom in quite a bit because it took a couple seconds to get my phone out and camera open so it’s pretty bad quality.

The context of that sentence was only renting, FYI. I did not mean it for ownership. I also completely agree with this and I believe I even stated that in the Hertz Rental thread. I just said within the next five years, the stated delivery dates of the vehicles, I don't think it will be ideal or beneficial for the renter. What I said previously: "And I think that'll happen. I think it'll get to the point of a lot places having a charger or two for customers(one would probably suffice for most smaller businesses). I don't think it'll be that way within the next five years though."

Exactly, @David, I am certainly on board with buying and owning an EV. To make it sound like I'm some anti-EV guy is absurd(but that's Olds for ya). This is no different than saying I don't think a Camry is a great tow vehicle, there are just better options for the given situation. That is one thing that's great, is there are so many different vehicle options and everything can be great for a given situation. Everybody's wants and needs are different and that's no different here. I wouldn't want to deal with an EV if I'm a renter but, I think it would be PERFECT for me to own. I'd even road trip it and charge publicly. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing to do. We all just know that isn't truly an IDEAL situation.

I've actually timed filling my MKC up with 13 gallons (15.1 gal tank) in 3 minutes. You are full of it thinking it takes 10 minutes to pump 15-20 gallons or 33 gallons in TWENTY MINUTES. I'm not trying to be a smart@ss here, but will you record this next time you fill up? I'm just curious to actually see how slow that pump is flowing. "Light passenger vehicles pump up to about 50 litres (13 US gallons) per minute[5] (the United States limits this to 10 US gallons [38 litres] per minute[6]); pumps serving trucks and other large vehicles have a higher flow rate, up to 130 litres (34 US gallons) per minute in the UK[5] and 40 US gallons (150 litres) in the US. This flow rate is based on the diameter of the vehicle's fuel filling pipe, which limits flow to these amounts."

Call me Tucker, CNN, Fox News, whatever. It's still more of a hassle to rent an EV than an ICE vehicle. You guys can go rent your EVs and show me how convenient it is. As a wise man once told me:

You're right, the whole process is completed in 5 minutes, give or take a minute or two. It's completed in less time than walking to and from your charging EV, let alone moving it to a parking spot and getting back to what you were just doing.

@David, thank you for giving me a legitimate response. One counter to burning fuel in heavy traffic would be that a parked EV still uses electricity, more in the extreme temperatures, hot and cold, but they do use electricity when parked. I do also dig the idea (that I just learned yesterday, actually) that the Hyundai/Kia twins have accessory power in the boot. They're not F150 levels but still a heck of a lot more than most outlets in the back of vehicles. That's GREAT that there are chargers at MOAB!

Then will you please re-quote that because I must have missed it. Do you really believe every hotel has public chargers available? 100%! That's why they gave it a ~212kw battery. They knew what they were doing and who they were marketing it towards. My wife's G55 is almost identical to your SS, 12mpg on premium. It's ATROCIOUS... but we love driving it. It's also why we take my vehicle waaay more often than not. 12mpg on premium vs 25mpg on regular.

So @oldshurst442, will you please explain to me, and dumb it down as much as possible because I'm having a difficult time understanding - obviously - , how is it more convenient to rent an EV than it is to rent an ICE vehicle?

Oh that isn't annoying. Let's plug in, go walk around, walk back, move car, continue on with what we were doing. How is this more convenient than an ICE vehicle again? Which is it? As long as there aren't trees around, there probably isn't a single vehicle better than it from the factory. There are some good ones out now, but I bet this would walk all around them.

Is that charger EXACTLY where you're wanting to explore? Also, you're going to leave your car parked at a charger for 2-3 hours? If it's a Supercharger, Tesla will charge you for idling your vehicle at a charger. Exactly. I've said this dozens of times here. Owning an EV is great. You get all of the benefits of an EV, charging at home over night, leaving home fully charged, and charging is super cheap at home. All of those benefits go out the window when you rent and and don't have access to charge overnight.

There are soooo many more places in the US that aren't the largest cities. But, like I've already said, agree to disagree because I simply do not agree with what you're saying is actually making the user experience better than an ICE vehicle would. That's simply all I've said the entire time. The user experience is more inconvenient renting an EV than it would be renting and ICE vehicle. Nothing you or David has said has proven that it is more convenient to rent an EV than an ICE vehicle. You've, to summarize, just said, "it isn't that much worse." But neither of you can come up with a reason why it would be a better user experience to rent an EV over an ICE vehicle. At least you're remaining civil.

What in the fck are you talking about? Agree to disagree, I just don't think that's a good application for EV adaption. It's a vehicle sold to the public. It isn't a commercial-only vehicle. David posted the article (which was just a link to the actual article. I'm not sure why he didn't just post the actual article.) and I laughed at the inefficiency of it. Just because they're not advertising it as efficient doesn't mean efficiency doesn't matter, hence the artlcie written AND David's link about it's efficiency. Why not get on David for posting a link to ANYTHING related to the Hummer's efficiency? If the efficiency doesn't matter, why even post an article about it? Oh, I'm sorry Dodge literally advertises their vehicle to be track capable. Do I need to post the screen shots from their own website again or are you just going to dismiss them as if the company isn't advertising it as a track car? So, on one hand you're saying that the company needs to advertise the vehicle to do a thing(efficiency - Hummer) but on the other hand if the company does advertise the vehicle to do a thing (track capable - Hellcat Challenger) you'll dismiss it because you don't see it as a track-ready car. I guess you're just trying to have it both ways.

Regardless, it's still atrocious. I'd say the same thing if it were an ICE with 1000hp/tq getting 8mpg. It's one of those vehicles that's comically inefficient.

lol 1.6 miles per kilowatt is atrocious. Also, here's the actual article. https://insideevs.com/reviews/612030/hummer-ev-range-test/