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Everybody knows Costco's super cheap fuel prices aren't the norm and the lines there are equally abnormal. The situation where it takes 30 minutes to fuel up an ICE vehicle is an anomaly and it's almost the norm when publicly charging an EV.

There is ZERO fear here. I'm simply stating that if I rented a Bolt or Equinox EV in 2023 (when they're available) it will, without a doubt, be more of a pain in the arse than if I rented a comparable ICE vehicle. Nothing you guys have said will make it more convenient next year to rent an EV without being able to charge overnight, at home, where EVs truly separate themselves from ICE vehicles.

1: according to Hertz's website, it takes an hour for 200 miles of range, 30 minutes for 100 miles, 15 minutes nets you 50 miles. This is only with a Supercharger. 2: the GM EV's, to the best of my knowledge, do not charge as fast as Teslas currently do. I could be wrong, but that would mean more time than a Tesla. Teslas can charge at a rate of 250kw and the Equinox EV can charge at a rate of 150kw. Looking at this more, Hertz is WAY off. Tesla is claiming 200 miles of added range in 15 minutes. If that truly is the case, you only need to spend 5 minutes charging and therefore that is not inconvenient. Oh I agree. I don't think this renting EV thing is a bad thing in a "forever" type of situation. I just think it will make it more of a pain for users within the timeframe of them getting 175,000 units to rent out. 2035-2040, I don't think it'll be an issue even in the slightest. 2025, I still think it'll be inconvenient for renters over ICE.

Nobody ever wants to spend time charging and EV or refueling an ICE vehicle. Ever. BY FAR AND AWAY the biggest advantage to an EV is that you never need to spend that time at a public charger/gas station and it saves you money. If you eliminate that aspect, what's the benefit of an EV?

At least in other countries, they charge you, like they do for ICE vehicles to fuel up. https://images.hertz.com/pdfs/ENGB_EV_RENTAL_TERMS.pdf We will record the EV’s battery status before we rent the EV to you and measure it when you return the EV. We ask you to return the EV with at least the same level of charge or 75% (whichever is lower). If you return the EV with a level of charge lower than this then we will recharge the EV for you at the rate of €0.80/sterling equivalent (inc VAT) per kW/h. e.g. 75% on rent charge – 55% return charge = 20% 20% x 100% battery capacity = 20 20 x 0.8€ = 16€ Recharging fee. If the EV battery status is below 20% on return an Administration Charge will apply in addition to the recharging fee because this increases our turn around times and involves staff time. Administration Charge = +€25 (inc VAT) No. Sht. That's the whole point I'm trying to make. ICE for rentals is quicker and more simple for the one paying the money to rent a vehicle. I know damn well that if I'm on vacation the last thing I want to do is wait for a car to charge. It has nothing to do with instant "gratification". It's just fueling a vehicle up. Literally nobody in the world WANTS to be doing that at any given point, ICE or EV. That's why EVs are so damn convenient for everyday use where people like you, Olds, and myself can charge from home and always leave with a full "tank". Renters do not have that luxury. they have to go into an app, in car or on their phone, find a charger, and wait. Some are at perfectly convenient locations, and some are not.

The concern of having to wait while charging? What's their solution, because I didn't see a section for that.

That's a great question but I do know you're always supposed to bring it back full, I'd assume the same would go for EVs, or they charge you an absurd amount per kilowatt to recharge. Again, this goes back to savings and convenience for the renter. If a rental company is going to jack up the price per Kw, like they do for gasoline, I'd assume AT LEAST $0.50/Kw. There goes any savings over a comparable ICE vehicle. Does it matter? It's passed. It's the user experience being slowed down. Nobody who is renting a vehicle wants to wait to charge or gas up.

And I think that'll happen. I think it'll get to the point of a lot places having a charger or two for customers(one would probably suffice for most smaller businesses). I don't think it'll be that way within the next five years though. This isn't fear. It just doesn't sound like it is benefitting the renter as much as an ICE would.

Yeah, and, like I said, it doesn't sound like it is adantageous to the renter as much as it is to the companies involved, Hertz and GM. It takes waaaaay longer to charge up and its costing them about the same amount of money out of pocket. Where's the benefit? Even if it's only a 20 minute top-up, that's 15 more minutes the renter is wasting, also assuming a DC fast charger is conveniently located.

In 5 minutes. They'll likely never be that common because the demand will never be that high as most people own homes and SHOULD be charging at home. Wasn't a massive EV charging something-or-other passed like two weeks ago to give states money to build up their infrastructure? https://highways.dot.gov/newsroom/biden-harris-administration-announces-approval-first-35-state-plans-build-out-ev-charging

I completely disagree with you guys on this and I am far from anti-EV adoption. I just think the end user themselves will not have as enjoyable of a rental experience having to charge publicly. Personally, and I've said this many times before, the biggest advantage of EVs is the ability to charge at home, over night, for very little out of pocket cost. Charging publicly takes almost all of the gasoline price savings out the window and you're forced to actually wait somewhere, unlike charging at home. @David's point are good points but they're not good points for the user renting the vehicles. They're fantastic points for the manufacturers who want more people to experience EVs and to sell units. @oldshurst442, I'm not saying it's difficult to find a charger. I'm saying it's inconvenient to ONLY be able to charge publicly and there's very little money being saved by the user by having to charge publicly. You and I both know that there are environmental issues mining for the metals for batteries as well. It's a give and take but I think as batteries advance and technology advances to using less and less precious metals, it will be a much greater net gain for EVs. But, as of now, mining for those precious metals isn't a whole lot better than drilling for oil. They're getting there! I've read multiple things about new technology to eliminate these precious metals for future batteries. they're just not there yet and certainly not in any production vehicles.

Of all places for EV adoption, I think rentals may be the worst. These people are then forced to charge publicly somewhere and hope and pray your hotel has a free charger that isn't some 110v outlet. It's good to start this adaption but I don't think this is a good use case for the public.

Flying things just seem so damn impractical until there's a full self driving where vehicle are communicating with each other. The idea of something airborne without real brakes just doesn't make any practical sense unless they're off-road-only toys, in which it looks fun as hell.

What are your personal choices from the list?

The Fords, IONIQ 5, Integra, and whatever the AMG GT35 is (lol - I assume just a lesser model GT55 or 63 or whatever their numbers are now).

What I find ironic here is, people living IN a big city are stuck using public charging or hoping their parking garage has charging available. Whereas people OUTSIDE of big cities have homes and garages and you can conveniently charge at home for very little money, compared to public charging. Luckily, there are still ICE vehicles for this. Also, both of those are such rare occurrences for most people that it doesn't really matter a whole lot. Most people are not taking road trips weekly or monthly, maybe a couple times a year. People scared of road tripping are comical. They act like they're driving 500 miles a day and will need to sit at a public charger for hours a day. If you road trip a lot, don't buy an EV yet. For those who road trip a couple times a year, you'll be perfectly okay and 99% of your life will be more convenient with an EV. They're not for everybody and I understand that people are scared of new technology. They'll progress in the next decade, just like other technologies have. There will literally ALWAYS be a compromise going from one fuel source to another. You just have to weigh what's more convenient to you. Do you prefer going to gas stations and changing oil while having longer driving range or do you prefer charging at home with no oil changes but shorter driving range? Everybody's scenario is different and EVs are perfect for a lot of people and ICE are perfect for a lot of people but there will always be a compromise going from one fuel source to another.

I would, naturally, assume this would be part of their testing prior to putting them in a vehicle.

A FB friend took these this weekend in Detroit. These pictures look way better than what Ford released.

EXACTLY

I don't think we have anything to worry about here. Tesla is slower than the legacies when it comes to releasing an all-new product. If it hasn't been announced and shown yet (which it hasn't) then we're looking at 5-7 years, minimum until somebody can buy one. And the legacies don't lobby for their own interests...hence the dealership model making it difficult for Tesla to sell automobiles for no legitimate reason other than legacy companies pulling strings behind closed doors. They're all the same when it comes to this. They all want the upper hand in everything they can.

I watched this yesterday and I had to ask myself, whose voice is this? Is this your voice? Sorry for the awkward question, I've just never heard you talk! Hahaha. Just for the record, the voice wasn't bothersome in any way, I'm just curious. If I'm being picky, I'm not in love with the wing. Buuuuut, I do think I like everything else in this variation, especially that paint!

That means it has to be north of 526hp, because of the GT350, right? I feel EXACTLY this. I'm just not sure but I'm leaking towards liking it..? While it doesn't exactly make any logical sense, I completely agree with you. It just "feels" like it should have an analog dash but, then again, the current mustang has an optional digital cluster already, doesn't it?

I was actually just about to say that I bet every one of us has a story where a friend, family member, coworker, or ourselves have run out of gas at one point. I, personally, have never run out of gas but I certainly know people who have. One of my best friends burnt up his fuel pump in his '97 Z/28 (30th anniversary) because he ran it dry and tried to start it up a couple times once he ran out. One of these bad boys. I loved this car.

I live very much in the Mid West and I can't think of the last time I drove over 300 miles that wasn't a vacation. You'd leave home every day with a full charge. That 10 minute wait would only be needed when road tripping. You'd be amazed how many Teslas and now Hyundai/Kia EVs I see here.

I just read something on this and I believe the ones not included were listed under "submitted". I assume this means they've sent their proposal for the funds but it hasn't been approved yet. I have a feeling this will happen a "fair amount" with these extremely heavy EVs that are insanely quick, R1T, Hummer, Lightning. Trying to haul 8-10,000lb down from those acceleration rates is beyond the capabilities of the vehicle and physics.